Bullpen Concerns

[BoSox21]

to me, the entire thing depends on the status of Dice-K's shoulder

[TheKilo]

Originally Posted by BoSox21

to me, the entire thing depends on the status of Dice-K's shoulder

DiceK should be back next week.

While tempting, I think the Sox have to pass on this. Although, they should still inquire because if they can get him for a similar package the Mets got Santana, it'd be foolish to not ask.

[das11209]

May be Theo dangles some goodies in front of Cleveland long enough so they finally trade him to NL instead of the Yankees. I wonder if I have seen it sometime before with another left handed ace sometime early this year.

[YAZMAN]

Originally Posted by Sox Fan on Cape

Who's his agent ?

Seems like Jacko is.

Either that, or he's already convincing himself that picking up CC would be a good move for the Y*nks.

Which, even at 3-8, it just may be.

[CrespoBlows]

Picking up Sabathia would be a outstanding move for New York. I just don't believe the Yankees have the pieces to get him.

[jacksonianmarch]

We have the pieces, no question. The question is whether we are willing to part with them.

[redsoxrules]

speaking of CC he threw a CG 5 hit shutout today

[CrespoBlows]

Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch

We have the pieces, no question. The question is whether we are willing to part with them.

Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy?

[jacksonianmarch]

we have other guys deeper in the org as well. I just dont see the rationale of dealing away top prospects for a guy who is intent on hitting the FA market. Hence, I want him in the FA period.

For the record, the other guys who will undoubtedly garner interest include Montero, Betances, Heredia, Tabata, Jacksonm Horne, McCutchen and others. You seem to forget that this system is deep as hell. Unfortunately, until we start to slot in young players for yrs, we dont seem to want to make a mistake.

[CrespoBlows]

Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch

we have other guys deeper in the org as well. I just dont see the rationale of dealing away top prospects for a guy who is intent on hitting the FA market. Hence, I want him in the FA period.

For the record, the other guys who will undoubtedly garner interest include Montero, Betances, Heredia, Tabata, Jacksonm Horne, McCutchen and others. You seem to forget that this system is deep as hell. Unfortunately, until we start to slot in young players for yrs, we dont seem to want to make a mistake.

Those are all quality players, but I'd think the Indians would want blue chip prospects. I suggested Hughes and Kennedy as possible trade candidates.

Kennedy is probably not going to get a lot of interest, but Hughes and maybe two of the players on that list would get a deal done.

[One Red Seat]

How is Tabata mentioned as anything other than a punchline right now? He's over a year removed from his hamate bone surgery. No power, no contact, and a bad attitude to boot. He's walked out on his team during a game, and he's just recently been disciplined again by the organization for attitude problems. I don't care if he's only 19 at AA because .248/.325/.294 just flat out sucks.

[jacksonianmarch]

so you give up on a guy because he has a poor 2 months. I see.

Regardless, they will most certainly ask for Hughes or Melky or Kennedy or all 3.

They may also ask for Horne and McCutchen.
They may see past Marquez and his poor start to his AAA campaign.
They may go after the red hot JB Cox or Mark Melancon, both of whom look like MLB candidates this yr.
Maybe they go for George Kontos who is just lighting up AA.
Maybe they ask for Austin Jackson who is showing more patience this yr than ever, but the power hasnt come yet.
How about Juan Miranda who was OPSing well prior to his injury.
Or maybe they try and get Humberto Sanchez prior to his return from TJ (which will be in the next 2 weeks).
Maybe they ask for Tabata whose power numbers are way down, but he is the youngest player in AA and has been solid of late, attitude aside.
Maybe they go for the rehabbing Garcia or the solid Ryan Pope in A+ ball.
How bout Cervelli who should be back from his wrist injury in a week or so
Brett Gardner maybe, who is absolutely tearing up AAA
Or maybe the multitude of high upside players in the SAL?
Montero, Romine, Almonte, Suttle, Angelini, Heredia, Betances, and the list goes on

The point is, this is the deepest yankee system since the championship teams. If the Indians want to headline with 2 blue chippers ready for the MLB, then we are in the same situation as you guys. Bowden, Masterson, Lowrie, then what? Hughes, Kennedy, Horne, McCutchen, Miranda, Gardner, then what? If they want to dig deeper and go for one of those 4 or 5 prospect for one player deals, we have the goods. I'd just hate to see it happen.

[One Red Seat]

I didn't say you give up on him, but you certainly don't give up talent to acquire such a project. And, that is what he is at this point, a project not a prospect.

[jacksonianmarch]

I disagree. His status has certainly been hurt by his lack of power and his attitude. Then again, he is the youngest player in a league that many teams use to catapult players to the bigs. So he isnt a project. Projects are guys like Dan Bard was 2 yrs ago. Great tools, lots of rawness, start in the SAL and need to work their way up. Tabata isnt raw as a hitter. He has a very solid swing. I just think he is finally experiencing failure in the more difficult league and he's getting his kinks out. Plus the hamate surgery doesnt help. It can take up to a yr to get the strength back fully and as you see with Kalish, the power is the last thing to return.

Regardless, what I do like is that he has improved in every month thus far. From his abysmal april (.200/.308/.233) to his less abysmal may (.271/.319/.327) to his so far solid June (.333/.423/.381). I do agree that he wouldnt be a headline prospect at this point, but it isnt like he wouldnt be wanted at all in a trade.

[jacksonianmarch]

and I think it would all depend on what the Indians wanted. If they wanted pitching, I dont think you guys could come close to the packages we could offer. If they preferred offense, then I dont think we could touch the depth in the position player area that you guys have.