Bullpen Concerns

[rician blast]

Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch

he couldnt just back away from the old man with metal hips and who wobbles like a weeble?

Ever been in a fight or other potentially physical confrontation? Did you have the presence of mind, at the time, to do exactly what you determined should have been done after having a chance to think about it later?

Adrenaline and emotion are big factors...so Jeezus H., get a grip and be honest with yourself...shit happens.

BTW, those so appalled by Pedro's actions are likely those who cry about Varitek not removing his mask during the ARod altercation. They just don't get it or refuse to admit the truth in order to paint someone in a bad light.

[26 to 6]

Originally Posted by Jayhawk Bill

In related news, Sidney Ponson, who punched a judge in Aruba, who had three DUI arrests in one year, and who was released by the Texas Rangers despite a 4-1 record in 9 starts and a 3.88 ERA for "disrespectful and adverse reactions to situations unbecoming of teammates" has been signed by the New York Yankees.



The official voice of the New York Yankees considers multiple DUIs, brutality against unarmed individuals, and considerable further borderline behavior OK for the Yankees, blaming problems on other teams' managers.

I blame the alleged incident in Houston on Cecil Cooper.

When did he ever say Ponson's actions were ok. He said that he was fine when he was here, and that his recent issues stemmed down there. If he pulled shit like that with the Yankees you think he would wake up the next morning with a job? We're not the Red Sox we don't tolerate that shit. It's absurd that Manny hasn't been disciplined at all. If that was Julio Lugo who threw McCormick to the ground he would have been released, or at the very least suspended. This sends a horrible message from the Red Sox. How come great players are above rules and discipline? Some of you ought to be ashamed for defending this in any way, shape, or form. Manny was wrong, plain and simple. But he doesn't have to face any consequences, which is also wrong.

[26 to 6]

Originally Posted by rican blast

BTW, those so appalled by Pedro's actions are likely those who cry about Varitek not removing his mask during the ARod altercation.

Well Varitek's a bitch. Plain and simple. And Pedro's crazy. That explains those two incidents.

[rician blast]

Originally Posted by 26 to 6

Well Varitek's a bitch. Plain and simple. And Pedro's crazy. That explains those two incidents.

Thanks for proving my point.

Edit:
In 1977, George Brett tripled and slid hard into third base. Greg Nettles kicked him in the face, sparking a brawl.

Heat of the moment? Not by 26's definition...Nettles would be appropriately labeled a bitch, I guess.

[Mr Crunchy]

don zimmer storms out of the dugout to attack the opposing teams pitcher IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PENNANT SERIES and you blame the pitcher for defending himself??
the last i knew bench coaches were supposed to have their asses on the bench and werent supposed to assault the opponents...
is this the fucking mindset that yankee fans actually possess?
is it just a couple of you ignorant fucks who feel this way or is it just typical another group stupid, i love the yankees mindset?
fuck don zimmer
i hope he gets struck by lightning in that bulbous head of his and never sleeps more than an hour at a time for the rest of his pathetic life.

[yeszir]

Originally Posted by 26 to 6

Well Varitek's a bitch. Plain and simple. And Pedro's crazy. That explains those two incidents.

Oh reeeeally?

[TheKilo]

Originally Posted by 26 to 6

Well Varitek's a bitch. Plain and simple. And Pedro's crazy. That explains those two incidents.

Correction, Varitek is an awful baseball player, not a bitch.

[TheKilo]

Originally Posted by 26 to 6

When did he ever say Ponson's actions were ok. He said that he was fine when he was here, and that his recent issues stemmed down there. If he pulled shit like that with the Yankees you think he would wake up the next morning with a job? We're not the Red Sox we don't tolerate that shit. It's absurd that Manny hasn't been disciplined at all. If that was Julio Lugo who threw McCormick to the ground he would have been released, or at the very least suspended. This sends a horrible message from the Red Sox. How come great players are above rules and discipline? Some of you ought to be ashamed for defending this in any way, shape, or form. Manny was wrong, plain and simple. But he doesn't have to face any consequences, which is also wrong.

I don't think anyone is defending the action in and of itself.

FACT - Manny pushed McCormick to the ground.

FACT - Manny apologized for it.

FACT - McCormick accepted the apology.

FACT - McCormick said, AND I QUOTE, ""I just want it to die. It's over. He apologized. That's it. I want us to get back to our winning ways.''

FACT - Francona said that the matter would be handled with internally.

Look, Manny was 100% wrong in this instance. But I feel that if the person he pushed accepted the apology and that the Sox said they would handle it internally, what else do you want from them?

What obligation do they have to the masses to make a public spectacle of Ramirez? What good comes from that?

I'm serious - if someone can give me a convincing argument why the Sox should take his punishment public I'm all ears.

[schillingouttheks]

He's just trying to make another effort in futility by using this instance to prove that the Yankees are much classier than the Red Sox. I mean, come on, the Yankees never put up with bullshit from their players. I mean, remember when Giambi admitted to taking steroids and apologized for it? They fired him anyway! Right, right? Oh wait a minute...

[Jayhawk Bill]

Originally Posted by 26 to 6

When did he ever say Ponson's actions were ok. He said that he was fine when he was here, and that his recent issues stemmed down there.

He blamed Ponson's problem behavior that resulted in his release from another MLB team on that team's manager.

If he pulled shit like that with the Yankees you think he would wake up the next morning with a job?

Well, yeah, sure--Don Zimmer did.

So did Jeff Nelson, though. So did Karim Garcia. Yankees players get angry at staff members of OTHER TEAMS and beat them up badly enough TO HAVE TO GO TO COURT FOR ASSAULT AND BATTERY and the Yankees don't care. They kept both players on the roster for the World Series after they beat up Paul Williams, a Special-Ed teacher and part-time groundskeeper, in the bullpen during the 2003 ALCS because he was cheering for the Red Sox.

If you will notice, no charges are pending against Manny. This puts him in a different class than Nelson and Garcia, who had to cut a plea deal and perform community service to avoid potential prison time for their assault on Williams--but the Yankees still chose to keep Nelson and Garcia on their roster.

We're not the Red Sox we don't tolerate that shit.

Your point is disproven. Were you being ignorant or disingenuous?

Some of you ought to be ashamed for defending this in any way, shape, or form.

And quit dissing my fellow Red Sox fans on a Red Sox forum.

[schillingouttheks]

Damn. I should've used Garcia and Nelson as my examples. Good picks, JHB.

I'm wondering how 26 will excuse their behaviors...

[rician blast]

Didn't they also acquire Daryl Strawberry sometime after the following incidents:

- On January 29, 1987, Strawberry's wife, Kyle Weaver, filed for a legal separation from him in a Los Angeles court. She also accused him of breaking her nose after a game the previous October.

- On April 7, 1989, Strawberry was sued in Clayton, Missouri by Lisa Clayton (not to be confused with his wife, Lisa Watkins) claiming that he is the father of Clayton's son. On January 10, 1990, blood tests proved that Strawberry was indeed the boy's father.


- On January 12, 1990, two days after blood tests proved he fathered another woman's child, Strawberry was arrested in Los Angeles for allegedly slapping his wife, Lisa, and threatening her with a pistol. On March 9, attorneys announced that no charges would be filed.

- On September 17, 1993, Strawberry was arrested for hitting his girlfriend, Charisse Simon, who was three-months pregnant at the time.

- On April 5, 1994, Strawberry failed to show up for an exhibition baseball game with the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, (then known as the California Angels) and was not found until that night. The next day, the Dodgers announced that he had a substance abuse problem. Four days later, Strawberry began five weeks of rehabilitation in the Betty Ford Center.

- On December 20, 1994, Strawberry and his agent were indicted for failing to report more than $300,000 of income from autograph and memorabilia shows. On April 29, 1995, Strawberry was ordered to repay $450,000 in back taxes and sentenced to six months of home confinement.

- On February 13, 1995, Strawberry was suspended for 75 days by Major League Baseball after testing positive for cocaine. He was released by the San Francisco Giants on the same day.

Sounds like a pretty tolerant organization to sign this guy, no? Let's drop all the holier than thou crap.

[a700hitter]

Originally Posted by 26 to 6

. If he pulled shit like that with the Yankees you think he would wake up the next morning with a job? We're not the Red Sox we don't tolerate that shit.

The Yankees, afterall are such a classy organization-- a model for other franchises. They looked the other way as their teams in the 90's turned the clubhouse into a roid den. And they openly honored and celebrated a fan who illegally interfered with the field of play to give the Yankees an advantage. That sent a wonderful message to the fans. It's okay to interfere with the game if it helps the home team. Yes, the honoring of Jeffrey Maeir was very classy.

[Mr Crunchy]

id throw my kids into traffic to save manny and i defend him usually 100% unconditionally which isnt easy for a guy like me who adores the game more than the guys who play it
manny and petey were the only 2 i bent over for and i did so because theyre the closest thing i seen to pure greatness as i'll probabky ever see,marvin hagler is on this list with ali and thats it
4 athletes over 35 active years of viewing at 42 yrs okd
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manny burnt us here kids and its not the ""my gramma died"" or todays my day off shit
i never ompedafter hgh school outside barroom softball but know about team and family and the long days and shit that plays out over a season of sports
you dont put your hands on the equipment people or non members of the 25
the 25? well teamates fight and im not sure thats a bad thing in july
someon was going to talk to youk about his duggout demeaner and it was manny who usually dont say shit with a mouth full...thats part of the team and between brothers and lond forgotten
this my friends is rag time and its so fucking wrong i am fed up this evening
i supect the x boston dtc said some things he regrets but manny is just so wrong to put his hands on this guy
this isnt over i suspect

[26 to 6]

Originally Posted by schillingouttheks

He's just trying to make another effort in futility by using this instance to prove that the Yankees are much classier than the Red Sox. I mean, come on, the Yankees never put up with bullshit from their players. I mean, remember when Giambi admitted to taking steroids and apologized for it? They fired him anyway! Right, right? Oh wait a minute...

If A-Rod physically harms a Yankee employee I think he' on the bench for at least a game.

Also, just to clarify, when I said

If he pulled shit like that with the Yankees you think he would wake up the next morning with a job?

I was talking about Ponson, and if what happened in Texas happened here. Seems liek you guys thought I was referring to Manny.

700, who "honored" Jeffrey Maier? I don't recall.

Originally Posted by rican blast

Sounds like a pretty tolerant organization to sign this guy, no? Let's drop all the holier than thou crap.

All of that happened before was even on the team. I'm not trying to argue about which is the "classier organization" or anything. I'm talking about current players and how their behavior is handled. Not the personal history of players who've played for a particular team over the course of time. If A-Rod physically harms a Yankee employee, apology or not, I have a hard time thinking that Girardi, Cash, or ownership would go without reprimanding him. Players under contract and in uniform have professional standards that they have to live up to. Superstars not named Manny Ramirez, namely Shawn Chacon and Sidney Ponson, have lost their jobs for intolerable behaviors recently this season. Because Manny is Manny he just gets a slap on the wrist. Not even.

And one thing I want to point out about Nelson and Garcia; Nelson was being heckled by that groundskeeper. Are you that naive to think that he just went after him for no reason? Who knows what dude wa saying to him. But as a team/park employee he should have known better, and been punished as well. He has no reason interfering with the players and being an asshole. And as for Garcia, he saw his teammate in a scuffle with a person not in uniform and went ran to defend him. What exactly did he do wrong? For all he knewthe groundskeeper jumped Nelson, or perhaps he thought it was a crazy fan or something at first. And to say they weren't punished isn't fair, because they had to face the legal ramifications of their actions. I'm not condoning what they did, but I'm saying that if you're going to use that as an example then at least look at the whole picture.