Bullpen Concerns - Page 26 - Talksox

**yeszir** · 07-07-2008, 12:11 PM

Craig Grebeck

jacksonianmarch · 07-07-2008, 12:11 PM

Sounds like the Rays are targeting Fuentes and their system is the deepest in all of baseball. If they wanna ante up for this championship run, nobody beats them in a deal.

As for Marte. From 2005-2007, Marte was pretty much a LH specialist. His OPS against vs righties was near .800 while vs lefties, he was under .600. But this yr, Marte is dominating righties more than lefties. And, over the last 2 yrs he really found his control. He used to be a 5-6BB/9IP guy, now he is around 2-3BB/9IP with high K and low hit rates. He sounds like a gem, but nobody seems to talk about him. Heres the problem. He's 33 and with his new found success comes the drop in velocity. Is it his way to locate or is he starting to slide? He's also a FA at the end of the yr and along with Fuentes, those two are the relief gems of the deadline. And we saw what the sox gave up for a middle reliever last yr. I dont think Theo meets the demands because of his fear that Marte can fall apart. And I dont blame him.

jacksonianmarch · 07-07-2008, 12:16 PM

I see a deal this offseason with the sox eating a ton of cash and giving Lowrie a shot. if they could live with Lugo's shitty D, they can live with Lowrie's below average range (but better hands). And if Lowrie struggles, you can attribute it to a rookie getting used to the bigs. In Lugos case, it is a below avg MLBer playing like a below avg MLBer

riverside sluggers · 07-07-2008, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdsxmbnt

It was actually Cora who missed the ball up the middle.

Thanks for the error on my part. I was just starting my break at work when I saw the play quickly, naturally it was too easy to assume.

I really do hope Lowrie is given a shot for the starting gig. He's almost the same type of hitter as Pedroia. His plate patience is something opposing pitchers dont want to be bothered with. Up in the majors there were a good # of times of him seeing 5-10 pitches per AB. Now he isnt the flashiest player on defense but he's got steady hands and will make routine plays. Lugo rushes routine plays even if its Jose Molina going to 1st

This season (Pawtucket & Boston)
66 games- 64 for 226 (.283 avg) 16 Doubles, 2 Triples, 6 HRs, 37 RBIs, 41 Runs, 32 walks, 49 Ks, SB

TheKilo · 07-07-2008, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by riverside sluggers

Seriously the worst starting shortstop I have seen as a Red Sox in my lieftime. Last night witnessed another one of his game by game "memorable" moments. Lugo's lack of defense to his left was highlighted as he dove for the ball that Gardner hit. But it bounced in and out of his glove to give the Yankees the win

How can I really take this post seriously when you can't even do your homework regarding the last play?

Lugo's been awful no question - thing is Ellsbury and Varitek have been even worse over the last month plus, and Cora is not a realistic option as a replacement because he's even worse than the rest.

The best course of action is to dump Cora and platoon Lowrie/Lugo/Pedroia...there's plenty of ABs to go around with those three. Lowrie can even spell Lowell if he has to.

TheKilo · 07-07-2008, 12:37 PM

Daniel Bard. Do it, Theo.

jacksonianmarch · 07-07-2008, 12:53 PM

I dont think he will. Remember Kilo, he's only shown he can locate for one half a season. Prior to this yr he was in the Steve Dalkowski control range. By rushing him to the bigs, you increase the chances that he reverts to his old self. He's a kid I send to AAA and see how he performs in ST next yr.

jacksonianmarch · 07-07-2008, 12:54 PM

not a bad idea kilo

TheKilo · 07-07-2008, 01:03 PM

What's the real difference b/t Joba's first half last year and Bard's this year?

jacksonianmarch · 07-07-2008, 01:15 PM

Joba didnt start out having a miserable time locating. Joba started out gangbusters and never slowed. Bard was wild as hell and has now found his control.

a700hitter · 07-07-2008, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TheKilo

How can I really take this post seriously when you can't even do your homework regarding the last play?

Lugo's been awful no question - thing is Ellsbury and Varitek have been even worse over the last month plus, and Cora is not a realistic option as a replacement because he's even worse than the rest.

The best course of action is to dump Cora and platoon Lowrie/Lugo/Pedroia...there's plenty of ABs to go around with those three. Lowrie can even spell Lowell if he has to.

I agree. I was hoping that they would release Cora earlier in the year when he was on the DL and Lowrie was proving that he could handle 3 IF positions and hit better than Cora. Now, is the time.

One Red Seat · 07-07-2008, 02:23 PM

Add me to the list that supports this move. Cora's inability to provide above average defense, due to diminished range, off the bench at a MIF position means that he no longer provides what was his only marketable skill. The ideal situation would be to start Lowrie most nights with Lugo on the bench. Late game, he's ideal to PR with and then take over at SS providing additional range in a close game.

Jayhawk Bill · 07-07-2008, 03:32 PM

FWIW, Lugo has played every position except C-1B in MLB. He played a little 2B in MiLB, too, along with a little outfield.

TheKilo · 07-07-2008, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch

Joba didnt start out having a miserable time locating. Joba started out gangbusters and never slowed. Bard was wild as hell and has now found his control.

Not what I asked homes.

paranoia · 07-07-2008, 11:13 PM

dump lugo bring up lowrie no question I agree with this move, Jed will make less errors as a rookie then lugo does now.