Bullpen Concerns

[ksushi]

Thats the pitch that has been lacking since he came up. He showed dominance in the minors after being drafted, and displayed a filthy slider. Became the first red sox to ever make it to the majors the season he was drafted and then unraveled and never showed that slider like he did in AA.

That can't be the end of it. I'm pumped to see the slider back, and I bet he will be big for us in the 2nd half. I still like Hansen more than MDC, and I will stick to that until Hansen is either flipping burgers or our primary set up guy. Imagine what a bullpen tandem we would have if he lives up to his previous potential? From the 8th inning on you will see nothing but 98 mph heat. *giggles*

[Mr Crunchy]

hansen was the victim of paps success and a season of injuries that required a savior to pitch in big spots...he was too young to drinl legally and what??15 months outta high school when he debuted....thruout redsox histoy its a given that the cant miss prospects end up on the business end of a disaster or tragedy of some sorts.
i go back to roger moret and don aase and can name a dozen guys who just exploded before making their mark in the big show
juan pena was tragic
the kid who burnt his hand on the canlde
the kid who fell on the glass severing his hand tendons
frankie ""she showed ne an id""rodriguez
brian""minor league pitcher of the year""rose
tomo ""14-0 i love rhode island"" okha
jeff""the strutter""sellers
sunny kim
bunny kim
sang song
robinson ""cy"" checo
and if i gave it any thought i could go back to the dark days like the career of calvin schiraldi ending in queens and the tommy bolton dana kieker lefty duos,1 of which got the ball against bob 26-4 ebony eyes cy winner welch in game 2 of the alcs with less than 10 starts under his belt....prospects have terrified me for years for good reasons
i dont trust them to be what theyre supposed to be
paps and bucks have made me sleep better but in my world i like 32 year old grizzled vets

[ksushi]

Hansen was 21 when he was drafted out of St. Johns university.

[Sweet Chin Music33]

Originally Posted by TheKilo

Loved what I saw from Hansen the other night....that slider looked unhittable.

When can we have Timlin go the way of Old Yeller?

You criticize me for making comments about Timlin and Lopez, then you make your own negetive comments about one of the same players I had an argument about....


f'n assclown.

[CrespoBlows]

Originally Posted by Sweet Chin Music33

You criticize me for making comments about Timlin and Lopez, then you make your own negetive comments about one of the same players I had an argument about....


f'n assclown.

I don't remember him ever defending Mike Timlin. Example?

[Sweet Chin Music33]

Originally Posted by CrespoBlows

I don't remember him ever defending Mike Timlin. Example?

He did here:

Originally Posted by TheKilo

Funny, they won a championship with these guys last season.

Those 2 guys referring to Timlin and Lopez.

I'm not making and argument, just lately, Kilo has felt a need to criticize and chastise every single post I make, while contradicting himself in this thread, I think a user block of him will be needed in the near future......because my opinion means nothing to him, and every post I make seems to piss him off although I've done nothing to him. Instead of having good baseball conversations (which forums are designed for) he feels a need to just try and make me look like an idiot for whatever reason......I've never had a problem with him, just lately something I do seems to irk him.

[Mr Crunchy]

i thought hansen was 18?
oh well,this is why i work for I work for a living rather than go to school
i wasnt that bright to begin with.
the fact of the matter is this season the pitching has been great,even with schill out,timlin sucking hind tit and becks missing a couple starts.
its the bats that have disappeared led by the big mans gimpy knee and lowell being out with his own demons.
yesterday the sox were -115 against tampa
last year in the same match up with the same pitchers the sox wouldve been 2-1
something aint right in the fens

[Sweet Chin Music33]

Originally Posted by Mr Crunchy

the fact of the matter is this season the pitching has been great

I wouldnt call it great, the starting pitching has been very good as of late, the bullpen is still very shaky....the offense has been a let down in the current losing streak.

They are 12 outta 14 in team ERA.
They are 8 outta 14 in hits allowed.
They have given up the thrid most walks.

[Mr Crunchy]

stats lie and in this case arent really fair.
the pitching has kept them in nearly every game theyve played.
plus theyve already did ny twice,toronto texas detroit and cleveland and anaheim
those teams hit everyone well and add the loss of 2 beckett starts to the equation i think we've done very well playing the iron of the league.

the only teams that suck on paper are the a's and the rays and as april is closing i think we've been pretty successful considering all the bullshit traveling we've had to do over the past month.

[Jayhawk Bill]

I think that the issue is that, for most intents and purposes, Boston just can't seem to win without scoring five or more runs.

Record scoring 0-4 runs: 2-10
Record scoring 5-12 runs: 13-2

Driving the point home:

Record scoring 3-4 runs: 1-4

Boston has four good starting pitchers and an adequate fifth starter (Lester, who is leading in games started due to minor injuries and flu-like symptoms for others). Only Matsuzaka has an ERA below 4.00, though. The rest of the starters are allowing their share of runs...and Dice-K needs relief help by the 6th or 7th inning in every start.

Baltimore is 4-9 scoring four or fewer runs. New York is 5-8. Tampa Bay is only 2-7, but that's still better than 2-10. Toronto is only 2-13, but they're in the cellar, too...that's not the winning formula.

I'm suspecting that Boston's performance in low-scoring games is more than bad luck...the pitching (and Terry Francona) need too many runs to hold a win.

[Sweet Chin Music33]

Originally Posted by Jayhawk Bill

I'm suspecting that Boston's performance in low-scoring games is more than bad luck...the pitching (and Terry Francona) need too many runs to hold a win.

I dont think this is Franconas fault, hes turning to guys to hold the game, or hold a lead....and they just arent able to, which further puts the bullpen in the spotlight.

Francona can be blamed for putting certain guys in to a game, but he really doesnt have many options, especially if Delcarmen cannot be counted on to give them solid innings as a setup guy....theres only so many times you can turn to OKI and Paps. Someone has to step up in that pen.......hopefully Hansen can answer that bell if DelCarmen doesnt want to step up.

Ive been a Hansen hater since day 1, only out of disappointment, hopefully he proves me wrong aand stabilizes that pen.

[redsoxrules]

speaking of the bulpen , the other night insted of letting buchholz pitched the 8th , terry should of put OKI in the game . am I the only one who would of done that . I know Buchholz was pitching great but his pitch count was getting up there and he is a rookie why not go to your 1-2 bulpen punch that was soooo great last year?

[Sweet Chin Music33]

Thats unfair to Terry, Buchholz looked great, there was no reason to get him outta there. He made a mistake, and the Sox lost.....Clay deserved o be out there for it.

[jacksonianmarch]

Originally Posted by Jayhawk Bill

I think that the issue is that, for most intents and purposes, Boston just can't seem to win without scoring five or more runs.

Record scoring 0-4 runs: 2-10
Record scoring 5-12 runs: 13-2

Driving the point home:

Record scoring 3-4 runs: 1-4

Boston has four good starting pitchers and an adequate fifth starter (Lester, who is leading in games started due to minor injuries and flu-like symptoms for others). Only Matsuzaka has an ERA below 4.00, though. The rest of the starters are allowing their share of runs...and Dice-K needs relief help by the 6th or 7th inning in every start.

Baltimore is 4-9 scoring four or fewer runs. New York is 5-8. Tampa Bay is only 2-7, but that's still better than 2-10. Toronto is only 2-13, but they're in the cellar, too...that's not the winning formula.

I'm suspecting that Boston's performance in low-scoring games is more than bad luck...the pitching (and Terry Francona) need too many runs to hold a win.

The Yankees had a problem like that last yr. We were 6-36 when we scored 3 runs or less. This yr, we have already won 4 games when scoring 3 runs or less. I think alot of that has to do with luck and with pen management.

[CrespoBlows]

Originally Posted by Sweet Chin Music33

I'm not making and argument, just lately, Kilo has felt a need to criticize and chastise every single post I make, while contradicting himself in this thread, I think a user block of him will be needed in the near future......because my opinion means nothing to him, and every post I make seems to piss him off although I've done nothing to him. Instead of having good baseball conversations (which forums are designed for) he feels a need to just try and make me look like an idiot for whatever reason......I've never had a problem with him, just lately something I do seems to irk him.

I see why he comes after you.

You totally missed his point. You claimed:

I dont think that flashes of effectiveness serves the Redsox best. Flashes of excellence is good on a average to good team, but not a team with a roster full of guys who have a chance at the champioship.

He said, correctly, that the Red Sox had already won a championship with players that have flashes of effectiveness.

Again, I ask you to show me where he defends Mike Timlin.