Bullpen Concerns

[BudLight]

It's been a very entertaining first half of the season. There are many candidates out there for MLB jerk of the year, and with another half season to go, many more should be joining the list.

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8355922/#2

[a700hitter]

I thought it was an odd AB. He didn't even look ready to offer at any of those pitches. He didn't move a muscle. He didn't even follow the ball to the catcher's glove. I made the comment on that game thread that maybe he was up there as a decoy and Francona thought he would be walked. This would pre-suppose that he was injured and couldn't swing. it also occurred to me that Manny had no intention of swinging and that he was hitting his meltdown time of the year where he either quits for a while, demands a trade or both. If he sent an F.U. to the F.O., they'll have to get over it until they can find someone who can hit like Manny. Having heard the stories about Manny's tightness with a buck and his selling of memorabilia and gas grills, I would have expected that he would be pissed by a six-figure fine. Was this retaliation? Maybe, but Manny is generally a good team mate, so I don't think he will hurt his team to send any further messages.

[One Red Seat]

I could buy it a little more if the pitches from the AB in question were closer to the heart of the strikezone. I personally thought pitches 2 and 3 were balls. And, since that game on July 6, he's gone 11/22 with 2 dingers. Kind of tough to say the guy is tanking.

Accusations of tanking it are serious business. If you are right, well, you can't abide that type of behavior regardless of circumstance. It's poison. If you are wrong, I don't suspect the accused takes it too well and the relationship will sour beyond repair very quickly. The FO needs to sit down with Manny and address his recent concerns along with Lobel's story. And they need to do it yesterday. If this festers, it will only get worse.

[BudLight]

Is Manny's AB against Rivera a lingering issue. No - since that AB Manny has gone 10 for 22 with 7 RBI and 2 HR's. He may have been sending the FO a message, he may have not wanted to PH in that game, who knows.

[BoSox21]

Originally Posted by BudLight

He may have been sending the FO a message, he may have not wanted to PH in that game, who knows.

thats why its a lingering issue

[BudLight]

Originally Posted by BoSox21

thats why its a lingering issue

Guess I look at it differently. If Manny wanted to make a prolonged statement, he would not have produced in the following games, instead he would have requested to take some time off, or feign an injury. Besides as quirky as Manny is I really do not believe he would jeopardize his value in an option year, then again maybe Manny is just being Manny

[soxfan17881]

Originally Posted by Gom

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gom
Paps sucks. If you had left it to him and Tek, by far the two worst AL All-Stars, the AL would have gotten smoked.

So I make a comment about two players. One you agree with. The other you don't. Yet I'm always wrong. Yup.

This year going into the break, the numbers don't lie. In order:
Mo
Soria
Krod
Nathan
Papelbon

The team would have been better off with Giambi, Dye, Posada, or Mussina than Paps. Like I said, second worst all-star that wasn't voted in.

Not that we needed proof that you're a little off center, but this post was just that.

Tell me. What exactly was it that Papelbon said? Explain to me why a closer saying he'd like to close the All Star game, but understanding why Rivera should equates to an insult?

As far as what I wanted the fans to do? Nothing. No one expected cheers for Papelbon. Maybe even booing would have been understandable (even though he was on the same team as A-Rod, Jeter, and Rivera that night). I certainly didn't expect the 10 minute tantrum that got thrown. Let's not forget they booed Francona, too, who by your onwn admission went above and beyond to add a little class to the night and give the Yankees their due.

And also, let's get things straight. That run was Navarro's. It was not an earned run. And you want me to agree to the idea that gimpy freakin' Posada and is windflap ears would have been more valuable and anyone? Please!

[BudLight]

Originally Posted by soxfan17881

Now there's a question that makes me nervous...

My father was a part-time Sox fan, born out of hatred for the Yankees. At some point along the way (I think I was in about 10th grade or so) he brought home a Red Sox cap for me. I wore that hat until it disintegrated, sometime in Spring of 2005.

I didn't follow baseball much in high school and college. But once I was in the work force for a while I got back into it a bit. I really began paying attention to the Red Sox back in the late 90's when Pedro came to Boston. At the time, I had neither the resources nor the free time to devote to being a fan as far as purchasing Extra Innings or such. I was relegated to being an ESPN fan (Sports Center, Baseball Tonight, etc.) My interest was peaked in 2003 with all that season held. I was in front of the TV for the ALCS. Then I followed as closely as time allowed in '04. The time I devote to the Sox and baseball in general seems to get greater every summer, now that I can get MLB.tv and have XM Radio.

Now, depending on why you asked the question will (I suppose) effect how you judge my answer. I have not suffered since my early childhood as a many of you have. There are many, mostly Yankee fans, who call me a bandwagon jumper. All I can say is this: Whatever I am, I am a fan. More importantly, I am a fan not because I chose the Red Sox. I am a fan because the Red Sox chose me.

So anyway, why do you ask?

I was curious because of the comment your made:

"And like I said, if it was Sox fans doing that in the same way in the same circumstances, I'd tell those Sox fans they were douche-bags just like I'm telling the current twits.

It implied to me that you have never seen unwarranted harsh treatment of yankee players, at Fenway. Nothing derogative towards you, just curiousity on my part.

[26 to 6]

Papelbon deserved every bit of the verbal assault he got at Yankee Stadium that night. I was at the game and was screaming Mo's at him. But that's based solely on the comments I read in the paper that morning. He should have just kept his fucking mouth shut and been happy to be at the All Star game. Dude is in his what, 3rd season? Somebody should tell him to sit back, shut up, and pay his dues.

For the record, he and Youk were the only Red Sox I booed that night. I had no reaction to Drew's HR and I actually cheered Pedroia, the only Red Sox player I really like. It's funny to see how much you guys are bitching about the response the Sox players got at the game. Think about what it would have been like had the ASG been at Fenway, and a Yankee manager was managing, and there were 6 Yankees on the team. It ould have made what happened at the Stadium that night look like golf-clapping (Except for the Papelbon piece, of course. "Mar-i-ano!")

[Soxfan#1]

Originally Posted by VA Sox Fan

That was classic at the 2005 Ring Ceremony. Mo was a great sport too.

I was just talking about that with my dad. Them cheering Mo and Torre was a great and hilarious moment.

[Mr Crunchy]

as i said previously,his attacking the old guy was by far the worst thing hes ever done on this ballclub and this story isnt over.
you can fight teammates but clubhouse employees and the like are off limits.

bob lobel takes it in the ass

[TheKilo]

Originally Posted by a700hitter

I thought it was an odd AB. He didn't even look ready to offer at any of those pitches. He didn't move a muscle. He didn't even follow the ball to the catcher's glove. I made the comment on that game thread that maybe he was up there as a decoy and Francona thought he would be walked. This would pre-suppose that he was injured and couldn't swing. it also occurred to me that Manny had no intention of swinging and that he was hitting his meltdown time of the year where he either quits for a while, demands a trade or both. If he sent an F.U. to the F.O., they'll have to get over it until they can find someone who can hit like Manny. Having heard the stories about Manny's tightness with a buck and his selling of memorabilia and gas grills, I would have expected that he would be pissed by a six-figure fine. Was this retaliation? Maybe, but Manny is generally a good team mate, so I don't think he will hurt his team to send any further messages.

This is taken from page 44 of the MLB Player's Association Agreement with MLB:

(2) Club Fines. A fine imposed by a Club pursuant to Regulation 5 of the Uniform Player’s Contract in excess of $2,000 may not be deducted from the Player’s salary until such fine is finally upheld in the Grievance Procedure or the time in which to file a Grievance has expired.

If this was the case, and Manny was fined six figures, where's the grievance to the Player's Association?

Bob Lobel has no credibility here. Like many have said, Mo threw three great pitches.

[TheKilo]

Originally Posted by 26 to 6

Papelbon deserved every bit of the verbal assault he got at Yankee Stadium that night. I was at the game and was screaming Mo's at him. But that's based solely on the comments I read in the paper that morning. He should have just kept his fucking mouth shut and been happy to be at the All Star game. Dude is in his what, 3rd season? Somebody should tell him to sit back, shut up, and pay his dues.

For the record, he and Youk were the only Red Sox I booed that night. I had no reaction to Drew's HR and I actually cheered Pedroia, the only Red Sox player I really like. It's funny to see how much you guys are bitching about the response the Sox players got at the game. Think about what it would have been like had the ASG been at Fenway, and a Yankee manager was managing, and there were 6 Yankees on the team. It ould have made what happened at the Stadium that night look like golf-clapping (Except for the Papelbon piece, of course. "Mar-i-ano!")

Except, Torre was cheered during the 1999 All Star Game, and Mo was cheered in 2005.

In short - you're wrong.

[Mr Crunchy]

bob lobel was married to susan wornick
im not sure who had the penis in that marriage but if i had to bet....bob lobel takes it in the ass

[yankees228]

Originally Posted by TheKilo

Except, Torre was cheered during the 1999 All Star Game, and Mo was cheered in 2005.

In short - you're wrong.

Well...Torre was cheered because he was coming back from being out with cancer, so it really wasn't just a show of respect but I give the Sox fans credit regardless. However, when Mo was cheered it was very mocking because he had blown two saves against the Red Sox the week before.