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Old 05-11-2008, 06:38 PM   #76 (permalink)
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Khali Greene.


You know, though, maybe he could pitch better than Bryan Corey...
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Old 05-18-2008, 10:55 PM   #77 (permalink)
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In all seriousness the Red Sox have traded prospects for a reliever three times in the Theo era. Its kinda worked out once (Williamson). As we've seen veteran relievers can fall off the cliff pretty quickly even late in the season. It may happen even more this year with decreased steroid use.

Gammons on the radio has said that the Sox would be hard pressed to get someone on the open market with better stuff than MDC and Hansen.

They have the solutions on the team. They just have to wait to see them work themselves out as opposed to making a desperate move. My bet is that by the end of the season, both guys are very good options at the back end of games.
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Old 05-19-2008, 12:35 PM   #78 (permalink)
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Who's our best relief pitcher so far this season?

Javier Lopez.



Yup, Javier Lopez.

How do I reach this conclusion? By checking WXRL. WXRL is a measure of the change in Win Expectation during a pitcher's outings above that expected from a Replacement-level pitcher, adjusted for strength of opposing lineups. Note that this metric gives great credit for holding tight late-inning leads and and even greater penalty for blowing those leads, even if runners left by other pitchers score the actual game-changing runs. It's who's on the mound that counts.

Here are the stats thus far for 2008:

NAME WXRL (Wins) LEV
Javier Lopez 0.77 1.15
Hideki Okajima 0.54 1.68
Jonathan Papelbon 0.50 1.77
David Aardsma 0.49 0.80
Bryan Corey 0.08 0.86
Julian Tavarez -0.28 0.34
Kyle Snyder -0.29 1.26
Mike Timlin -0.53 1.16
Craig Hansen -0.54 1.13
Manny Delcarmen -0.59 0.91
Total 0.15 1.00*

The entire Boston bullpen, as a group, has been 0.15 wins better than a bunch of ten AAA call-ups thus far in 2008.

That's terrible. It's also probably not indicative of the bullpen's talent. Disregarding the stats of Corey, Tavarez and Snyder, all of whom are gone, raises the sum WXRL to 0.65, half a win better. We also know that we're taking a snapshot of Jon Papelbon at his worst moment: he would've been closer to 2.50 WXRL if not for those two fluke blown saves.

But flukes count in the stats.

Let's face it, relief pitching has been a problem for Boston in 2008. Let's also take heart in realizing that this is an area where we can expect to do much, much better the rest of the way, even without the Front Office's making a trade. Last year Papelbon, Okajima, Lopez, Delcarmen and Timlin were worth 13.3 WXRL over the course of the year. Expecting a third that much from the bullpen from now through September would mean a Boston team winning 99 games instead of the 95 games one might project from our current standings. Expecting just two-thirds of last year's production--expecting our relief pitchers to match, not to exceed, what they did last year--would result in 103 wins for Boston, all other factors held constant.

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Our bullpen has sucked thus far. They're still good pitchers, though, and we're still a very good team.




* a leverage index of 1.00 defines the beginning of a game; the mean of Boston relief pitchers' LEV is different and less relevant.
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Old 05-25-2008, 01:28 PM   #79 (permalink)
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I think you stick with MDC and Hansen this year. I feel they will be able to do something as the year progresses......Hopefully.
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Old 05-26-2008, 06:15 PM   #80 (permalink)
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Default Game Thread Records

We here at Talksox know that the Red Sox win and lose not because of their performance on the field, but solely because of who starts the game thread and the subsequent "mojo" instilled in the team.

So, who sucks at starting game threads? Who's the best? I intend to keep a running tally (updated periodically) of every game thread starter's record for the 08 season.

These stats are current through 5/25

Username WinsLosses
Schillingouttheks23
MANNYHOF2421
riversidesluggers02
Coco's Disciples13
Thumper102
TheKilo52
bosoxnation0701
One Red Seat01
VA Sox Fan42
Jayhawk Bill72
Bosox2101
redsoxrules01
yeszir01

There you have it. The Red Sox seem to have a winning record thanks solely to Thumper and Jayhawk Bill. TheKilo hasn't hurt them either.
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Old 05-26-2008, 06:24 PM   #81 (permalink)
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I'm the "Ace" of the posting staff, eh? Ha ha.

I wonder sometimes if the mojo really does help.
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Old 05-26-2008, 06:31 PM   #82 (permalink)
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I'm the "Ace" of the posting staff, eh? Ha ha.

I wonder sometimes if the mojo really does help.
Hint: No.
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Old 05-26-2008, 06:32 PM   #83 (permalink)
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Hint: No.
Yes, I KNOW it doesn't make a difference whether or not a YouTube video is added to the gamethread, but it's still fun.
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Old 05-26-2008, 06:32 PM   #84 (permalink)
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Yes, I KNOW it doesn't make a difference whether or not a YouTube video is added to the gamethread, but it's still fun.
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Old 05-26-2008, 07:47 PM   #85 (permalink)
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the key: start a thread for a home game
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the key: start a thread for a home game
Homojo?
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Old 05-27-2008, 10:35 AM   #87 (permalink)
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jesus that was deep
reminds me of the difficult sunday morning my cousin's girlfriend had out on the boat,50 miles east of gloucester,7 men hungover from a festive beach wedding discussing east german pornography,rim jobs and fisting....
and this poor young girl,couldnt have been 20 yet,sitting on the bow of the boat and hearing things that she never was intended to hear,breathless in her fear and pending anticipation of being dragged below for the crews entertainment....and the captain and the cousin both knew if things didnt get going quickly all bets were off...
thankfully the haddock were jumping in the boat and the boisterous gentlemen were too buzy fishing and fileting and werent distracted by the size 3 goddess sitting on the bow looking like bambi at a gun club.

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Old 05-27-2008, 03:51 PM   #88 (permalink)
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Speaking of Lucky Pierre, where has billy been?
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Old 05-28-2008, 11:12 AM   #89 (permalink)
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billy has been involved in a domestic incident between his mom and her new boyfriend, jamaal....billy resents the fact that theres someone else stealing his moms refreshing Misty Menthols and getting into her change purse.
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Old 05-28-2008, 02:00 PM   #90 (permalink)
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Jamaal flattened both tires on his Huffy, didn't he?
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