Gammons on Lugo.

[Jayhawk Bill]

Originally Posted by Mr Crunchy

its rather amusing how badly theo has fucked up the shortstop situation over the years.
we dump nomie and win the world series with the smooth ocabrerra

Good trade. 1-0, Theo

then we dont even offer him a contract and instead we sign renteria for 40M over 4. due to his anemic .270/34error season we end up paying packing his ass out of town
for that 1 season of awful production we paid 19,000,000.00....

Bad signing. 1-1, Theo.

BTW, I look at Edgah's stats with Boston and I believe that one of two things had to be true:

1) He was played hurt, or

2) He stopped juicing with Boston after his contract year but started again with Atlanta.

Edgah came from Colombia...we now know that juicing was almost ubiquitous among serious Caribbean prospects in the 90's.

now we have hanley waiting in the wings as the heir to the throne but we traded him to miami for becks...i have no problems with that deal because pitching is just an essential commodity that cant be ignored even if it means trading a future MVP...becks delivered in spades last year.

As I've written before, I still regard Boston to have lost that deal. It's risky to second-guess any deal that brings one a critical player for a World Champion team, but the combination of Hanley, Anibel, and the players Boston could've signed through free agency with the salary dollars of Lowell and Beckett probably outweigh the contributions of Lowell and Beckett.

Mine is a minority opinion.

alex gonzales gets the gig in 06...9-50-.255 in 111 games but an anemic obp of .299?
the way i see it is you can hide a guy like this in our lineup and he was making rather short money,the man was unreal with loretta in the dp wheel and he looked as if he was going to be here for the long haul...

Gag me. Alex Gonzalez had neither range at shortstop nor OBP. He LOOKED great, and he usually had few errors and a reasonable batting average, but he was a disaster.

Note that Boston's pitchers, especially ground ball pitchers, struggled in 2006 and that it was the worst scoring team in recent memory. Alex Gonzalez was letting the ground balls through for hits and using up precious outs to help make that happen.

Another good call by Theo.

enter me and julio down by the school yard lugo and his atrocious 36M/4 deal.
what the fuck was that all about?

Lugo was awe-inspiring in 2006, right up to his trade to LA in July. With hindsight, it looks as if something went wrong right before that trade, and that he didn't recover for a year. But look at his stats since then:

Time	BA	OBP	SLG
Second half 2007	.280	.322	.406
First half 2008	.285	.348	.341
Career	.271	.334	.393

Lugo's been near his career marks in all three areas between the latter half of 2007 and the beginning of the 2008 season.

Lugo's defense is puzzling and aggravating--it appears as if his confidence in his ability has been shaken. Over his career, despite high errors, Lugo has been about an average SS, with fielding range offsetting occasional erratic throws. Suddenly FRAA suggests that he's costing Boston a run every five games at SS, and a quick check of RZR suggests that it may be higher, as much as a run every other game. It sure looks more like the higher total to those of us watching.

Defense is notoriously prone to small-sample size effects. MLB GMs know this, and they haven't yet discounted Lugo at shortstop, I guarantee you. But...

I am not a francona guy when it comes to the xs and o's but he does handle his players very well and they seem to like him very much,he has blended in the old and the new with little disruption and manny hasnt lost a grandparent in over 18 months...

...while I strongly dislike Terry Francona, his decision to sit Lugo down is clearly in the best interests of the team and the player. Mills, of course, is following Tito's direction in establishing his daily lineup card.

but theo on the other hand?
i dont know who is luckier
theo or bob kraft
both cabrerra and gonzales were good fits here and each were cheaper and better than their replacements...

As CrespoBlows writes, in the long run the picks we got for OCab were worth more than OCab, and Alex Gonzalez really, truly sucked. It's fair to be critical of the Renteria deals; right now, it's easy to be down on Lugo, but discounting his poor first half of 2007 (which he attributes to parasites) and his current bizarre trouble on defense, Lugo has been roughly what we should have expected, even if less than his 2006 performance with Tampa Bay.

[BoSox21]

on the subject of Lugo, he's going to get more tests done as he continues to suffer effects from his concussion

[Jayhawk Bill]

Originally Posted by BoSox21

on the subject of Lugo, he's going to get more tests done as he continues to suffer effects from his concussion

Thanks for the info--he's eligible for retroactive assignment to the DL if he hasn't played.

[jacksonianmarch]

Concussions are a bitch. Some people are fine, but the majority of people note some residual symptoms even 1 month out. These can include mild intermittent headaches, vomiting, or in severe forms disorientation and regression of function. I forget the player exactly (for some reason Koskie comes to mind) but ESPN did a very solid interview with a post concussive player. He couldnt leave his house because he'd get somewhere and then forget how to get home.

[Sweet Chin Music33]

Originally Posted by Jayhawk Bill

Thanks for the info--he's eligible for retroactive assignment to the DL if he hasn't played.

A 60 day DL stint sits well with me.

[One Red Seat]

Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch

...he'd get somewhere and then forget how to get home.

This sounds like Lugo. He gets to the batter's box and then forgets that he needs to get on base first before he can reach home.

[BoSox21]

luckily, Lugo doesn't play for the Philadelphia Flyers

[Mr Crunchy]

ive had several concussions,the most recent was last july and it took 36 hours before someone forced me into the hospital...the more you get the more easily they occur...
of course when i was i drinking and smashing up cars i never knew if it was a concussion or if it was a bleeding hangover..
JHB
good point about the pix and its something thats easily forgotten on my end because i rarely view the pawsox or who is coming up from where.
as far as the hanley becks deal goes.....
in 06 after sanchez tossed the no hitter and i saw becks get crucified in back to back starts against detroit on a monday and the yankees on a saturday afternoon i had my doubts...
all that speculation ended last summer and if becks doesnt win another game again in boston he still can strut into any tavern in this town and drink on the house...
of course hanley ramirez is one of the most exciting players in the game and will be an mvp before too long..

[BoSox21]

Beckett is the primary reason the team won a world championship last season. that alone makes the deal worth it

not to mention how good Lowell has turned out to be

[RobZombie]

No one is going to want Julio Lugo. The idea that the Padres are going to want him to replace Greene is insane no matter how badly Greene is struggling. With Lugo, we have a guy who can't field, can't hit for power, and doesn't walk a lot. Since he's fast and can probably pay a lot of positions, someone may think that he's a poor man's Chone Figgins but that's about it.

My candidate is still Omar Vizquel. Acording to UZR he was even at his age the third best defensive SS in the NL.

The Cubs need a CF so here is what I'd propose.

Crisp to the Cubs

Gallagher to the Giants

Fuld and Vizquel to the Sox. The Sox would need Fuld if they traded Crisp because they really don't have a backup plan in case Ellsburry is out for an extended period.

[ksushi]

I think that is one of the most well thought out and plausible trades I've ever seen on this board. Kudos. I would love it if something to that effect happened.

[jacksonianmarch]

I played against Sammy Fuld back in the day. Pesky son of a bitch. I K'd him a couple times.