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07-31-2008, 10:17 PM
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Deity
Join Date: Apr 17 2006
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Jason Bay v. Manny Ramirez
| Player | AVG. | OBP | SLG | OPS | HR | RBI | OPS+ | Win Shares | Runs Created (Batting) | WPA | | Jason Bay | .282 | .375 | .519 | .894 | 22 | 64 | 135 | 19 | 75 | 3.88 | | Manny Ramirez | .299 | .398 | .529 | .927 | 20 | 68 | 140 | 15 | 69 | 3.94 |
Fielding Stats:
Fielding Bible (Courtesy SoSH):
Bay -1
Ramirez -15
RZR:
Bay .864
Ramirez .817
Baserunning (Courtesy SoSH):
Bay +23
Manny -4
Keep in mind Bay will be 12.5 million cheaper next season which will allow the Sox to address needs in the offseason.
Is he Manny? No. Is he very, very close in terms of production? Yes.
Face it folks - when looking at the whole picture, their production is not that different.
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07-31-2008, 10:18 PM
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Administrator
Join Date: Apr 01 2004
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Re: Jason Bay v. Manny Ramirez
* so far in 2008. That's gonna be a sticking point for some people who will respond in this thread.
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07-31-2008, 10:28 PM
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Legend
Join Date: Jul 17 2005
Location: Montreal, Canada
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Re: Jason Bay v. Manny Ramirez
I believe PNC Park is also considered one of the least hitter-friendly parks in baseball
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07-31-2008, 10:28 PM
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Duck, I says.
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Re: Jason Bay v. Manny Ramirez
By Batting Runs, courtesy BBRef, which are linear weights (most accurate) relative to league average, Manny is at 22.2 to Bay's 21.2.
Over 110 games, their offensive contibution is only separated by a run.
Add the baserunning and defense, and I like this.
The only complaint I've seen that has some validity is concern over an AL/NL adjustment.
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07-31-2008, 10:35 PM
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Deity
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Re: Jason Bay v. Manny Ramirez
BUT MANNY IZ A HALL UF FAMR
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07-31-2008, 10:50 PM
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Re: Jason Bay v. Manny Ramirez
TEH YANK33S JUS GOTZ A HALL UF FAM CATCHER 2
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Originally Posted by W.B. Mason
Did someone order...paperclips?
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07-31-2008, 10:54 PM
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Re: Jason Bay v. Manny Ramirez
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheKilo
BUT MANNY IZ A HALL UF FAMR
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All we need is Trot. Get it done theo
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07-31-2008, 11:10 PM
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Legend
Join Date: Jul 30 2005
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Re: Jason Bay v. Manny Ramirez
What do people make of Bay's poor performance in 2007? He played in 145 games and had just 21 homers, was he hurt or something?
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07-31-2008, 11:11 PM
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Deity
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Re: Jason Bay v. Manny Ramirez
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What do people make of Bay's poor performance in 2007? He played in 145 games and had just 21 homers, was he hurt or something?
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Yes.
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07-31-2008, 11:25 PM
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Legend
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Re: Jason Bay v. Manny Ramirez
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Yes.
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what was wrong with him?
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07-31-2008, 11:38 PM
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Deity
Join Date: Apr 17 2006
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Re: Jason Bay v. Manny Ramirez
Knee issues.
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08-01-2008, 12:44 AM
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Re: Jason Bay v. Manny Ramirez
Or his 0 HR performance in the Home Run Derby a few years back. 
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08-01-2008, 12:45 AM
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Deity
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Re: Jason Bay v. Manny Ramirez
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Or his 0 HR performance in the Home Run Derby a few years back. |
Good thing that is directly tied to a team's wins and losses.
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08-01-2008, 12:51 AM
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Legend
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Re: Jason Bay v. Manny Ramirez
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Or his 0 HR performance in the Home Run Derby a few years back. |
big fucking deal, Manny has only entered in one hr derby and he only hit 3
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08-01-2008, 01:04 AM
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Re: Jason Bay v. Manny Ramirez
I notice sarcasm is just an unknown language 'round these parts.
All right then...
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