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09-27-2008, 07:09 PM
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Join Date: Jan 08 2006
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Re: Youkilis...or Pedroia...??
Why isn't anyone paying attention to Youk...
.315/.392/.573, 29 HR, 115 RBI, 56.9 VORP
.304/.376/.507, 23 HR, 129 RBI, 47.3 VORP
.325/.375/.493, 17 HR, 83 RBI, 20 SB, 61.9 VORP
That's Youk-Morneau-Pedroia, and yes, Coco, I jacked your shit.
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09-27-2008, 07:29 PM
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#47 (permalink)
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Deity
Join Date: Apr 17 2006
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Re: Youkilis...or Pedroia...??
Pedroia has a better VORP as a 2B. That's why.
Out of Youk and Morneau, you clearly take Youk, but I'll take Pedroia's out of the three.
You can make the case for Mauer over Pedroia, but Pedroia has more than 100 more ABs than Mauer, which is the reason I'd choose him.
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09-27-2008, 07:32 PM
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#48 (permalink)
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Deity
Join Date: Apr 17 2006
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Re: Youkilis...or Pedroia...??
Like 2006, Morneau isn't even the MVP on his own team!
Why is everyone getting moist over an offensive season first basemen have all the fucking time?
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09-27-2008, 08:11 PM
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#49 (permalink)
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Join Date: Aug 21 2006
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Re: Youkilis...or Pedroia...??
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Originally Posted by TheKilo
Gom - Explain to me why Morneau is the MVP.
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I categorize MVP as the "Most Valuable Player". The one player from which a team owes the greatest amount of it's success to in getting to the post-season.
I do not believe that an MVP should come from a last-place team ala Andre Dawson. Although Pujols has the best numbers in the National League, I would give the award to Ryan Howard, whose solid bat and torrid September propelled the Phillies to the NL East crown.
That said, who is really more valuable to his team?
Pedroia or Morneau? Well, Morneau is the only power threat on his team. I give more value to RBI's than Runs. So do most of the writers who decide the award. Even giving Pedroia the added weight of Runs over RBIs, Morneau had more RBI's than Pedroia had runs, and he had less RBIs than Morneau had runs.
The edge goes to Pedroia in the field, and on the bases, but I really believe that the Red Sox make the playoffs without Pedroia, and the Twins don't even come close without Morneau.
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09-27-2008, 08:48 PM
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#50 (permalink)
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Deity
Join Date: Apr 17 2006
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Re: Youkilis...or Pedroia...??
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Originally Posted by Gom
I categorize MVP as the "Most Valuable Player". The one player from which a team owes the greatest amount of it's success to in getting to the post-season.
I do not believe that an MVP should come from a last-place team ala Andre Dawson. Although Pujols has the best numbers in the National League, I would give the award to Ryan Howard, whose solid bat and torrid September propelled the Phillies to the NL East crown.
That said, who is really more valuable to his team?
Pedroia or Morneau? Well, Morneau is the only power threat on his team. I give more value to RBI's than Runs. So do most of the writers who decide the award. Even giving Pedroia the added weight of Runs over RBIs, Morneau had more RBI's than Pedroia had runs, and he had less RBIs than Morneau had runs.
The edge goes to Pedroia in the field, and on the bases, but I really believe that the Red Sox make the playoffs without Pedroia, and the Twins don't even come close without Morneau.
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The reason Morneau has so many runs is because the guys in front of him are getting on base (Joe Mauer). Mauer is the best offensive player on that team. No question. Morneau's had a nice season - it's not an MVP caliber season though.
Your last sentences - you basically say Pedroia is a comparable offensive but better defensive and baserunning player than Morneau, you still think Morneau is the MVP. Also, please keep in mind that Pedroia is a 2B and Morneau is a 1B.
Completely illogical.
Jeter should have won in 2006, too.
PS Pujols is the NL MVP and it's not really close.
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