Looking back to October '04

[Gom]

The truth is that the Yankees would have been better off not resigning Arod. That contract is the next albatross, the next Giambi signing.

You guys act like we haven't had rough stretches. From 1979 until 1995, a span of 16 years, we didn't even make the playoffs. I can understand bandwagon fans, like your Red Sox Nation feeling all weird. Us long-time fans haven't even flinched.

Remember..it isn't about you, it's about us. To us, the Red Sox are a nuisance, not a hated enemy. If you guys win 2 out of the next three, then yeah, fine. A hated enemy.

The reality is that Yankee fans hate the Red Sox primarily because Red Sox fans hate us. We never hated the Orioles, and they were our biggest rivals in the late 90s.

[a700hitter]

Originally Posted by Gom

However...how many teams have been 1 STRIKE away from winning with the tying run NOT at the plate? With a game in hand?

None in baseball history.

'86 hurt bad. It hurts less as it goes further back in the rear view mirror. Almost all of the sting left as a result of the improbable unbelievable 2004 championship. I can watch the Buckner play today and feel no emotion at all.

The big point that you are missing about 1986 vs. 2004, and it is a huge difference, is that we hung the 2004 choke around your neck. The Yankees had nothing to do with 1986. I couldn't name 5 guys on the '86 Yankee team that was home watching that series from their couches.

The second point is that the Red Sox were big underdogs going into the '86 series. If they had won, it would have been a big upset. It's hard to choke away something when you are the underdog and the inferior team.

[a700hitter]

Originally Posted by Gom

The truth is that the Yankees would have been better off not resigning Arod. That contract is the next albatross, the next Giambi signing.

You guys act like we haven't had rough stretches. From 1979 until 1995, a span of 16 years, we didn't even make the playoffs. I can understand bandwagon fans, like your Red Sox Nation feeling all weird. Us long-time fans haven't even flinched.

Remember..it isn't about you, it's about us. To us, the Red Sox are a nuisance, not a hated enemy. If you guys win 2 out of the next three, then yeah, fine. A hated enemy.

The reality is that Yankee fans hate the Red Sox primarily because Red Sox fans hate us. We never hated the Orioles, and they were our biggest rivals in the late 90s.

In your prior bad stretches, you did not have to live with the Sox being the best organization in baseball. That's what makes this stretch worse. Don't worry. Some day that too will change. Hopefully, it will take 20-25 years.

[a700hitter]

Originally Posted by Gom

The reality is that Yankee fans hate the Red Sox primarily because Red Sox fans hate us. We never hated the Orioles, and they were our biggest rivals in the late 90s.

The Orioles?

[Dojji]

You laugh now but the Orioles were a force to be reckoned with not too long ago.

But no, the Yankee rivalry with Baltimore was only ever a "they were the good team at the time" sort of thing. We have a stronger rivalry with the Angels than they have with the O's.

[Mr Crunchy]

The Orioles were good back in the mid late 90s and Mussina was a fucking beast on the mound for them but they had the crazy arthur rhodes as a closer, then went to Armando Benitez to and an essentially a suck staff that couldnt buy a break in all those games vs NY.
Tony fuking Tarasco, Jeff Maier etc...They should all die of slow suffocation

[Gom]

Originally Posted by a700hitter

The second point is that the Red Sox were big underdogs going into the '86 series. If they had won, it would have been a big upset. It's hard to choke away something when you are the underdog and the inferior team.

We were the underdogs in 2001. Didn't hurt any less, probably hurt more because we were oh-so-close.

Originally Posted by a700hitter

In your prior bad stretches, you did not have to live with the Sox being the best organization in baseball. That's what makes this stretch worse. Don't worry. Some day that too will change. Hopefully, it will take 20-25 years.

Once again, you don't understand the mindset of a true Yankee fan. The team ahead of us is inconsequential for the most part.

You know what you sound like a700? Like Yankee fans that thought that 1996-2000 would last forever.

Keep believing it. Your run on top of the Yankees may end this year, and you know it.

[Dipre]

Originally Posted by Gom

We were the underdogs in 2001. Didn't hurt any less, probably hurt more because we were oh-so-close. .

lolunderdogsreally?

I recall every major sports analyst (i'm looking straight at Ken Rosenthal and every major publication here) giving the series to the Yankees in 6 games, because, iirc, even though the D'backs had RJ and Schilling, they had no closer and their offense was Luis Gonzales and a bunch of guys having career years.

So, don't bullshit us saying the team coming from almost 8 years of total dominance, with one of the best rotations in the playoffs, the best bullpen, and by a mile, the best offense were underdogs.

BECAUSE THAT IS COMPLETE AND TOTAL BULLSHIT.

[Mr Crunchy]

As a Celtic fan, a team that was once I think 14-0 in the Finals,we did expect to win every fucking year bar none.We had rivals in NY Philly and of course LA but then came the 80s and detroit became hated.
I understand the mindset of success that dynastys produce but lets not pretend that you didnt think NY would win in any of the last 7 years,especially in 02 03 04 05 and 06 and of course this year.
When you buy allstars for every position and continue to fail to win in the playoffs you scratch your head and ask what the fuck is going on here?....Truth being that whenever the Steinbrenners get actively involved in player personal moves they tend to fuck up the works completely and only thru the suspension of the Felon were the Yanks able to properly rebuild their club to the point of being perennial threats as theyve been for the last 15 seasons...77-78 titles?
NY and the Angels were the clubs who were active in the free agent market and those teams in 77-78 were the rosters of the Oakland A's and Cinci Reds from the early 70s that won 5 straight titles and then moved onto NY...Outside those 2 years Ny has failed under Steinbrenners watch.

[Mr Crunchy]

Wasnt that Byung Yung Kim who gave up walk offs in that series?
Ya, we needed him in 03 like my dick needs another blister.

[Dipre]

Originally Posted by Mr Crunchy

Wasnt that Byung Yung Kim who gave up walk offs in that series?
Ya, we needed him in 03 like my dick needs another blister.

Of course it was Byung Suck Kim.

No one needed to know you have blisters in your dick, too much info man.

[YAZMAN]

Originally Posted by Dojji

Damon, Bellhorn, Embree, Mientkiewicz, Myers, 5 of the 25 were on the Yankees within 3 years of the Miracle.

Any more Cream Pie Kids left off the list?

[Dojji]

There's still time for the Yankees to go after Kapler.

[a700hitter]

Originally Posted by Gom

We were the underdogs in 2001. Didn't hurt any less, probably hurt more because we were oh-so-close.

I never said that being the underdog meant it didn't hurt. I said that it's hard to call an underdog a choker. They were supposed to lose.

Originally Posted by Gom

Once again, you don't understand the mindset of a true Yankee fan. The team ahead of us is inconsequential for the most part.

You know what you sound like a700? Like Yankee fans that thought that 1996-2000 would last forever.

Keep believing it. Your run on top of the Yankees may end this year, and you know it.

I never said that it won't end. I assured you that it would. When it ends, I will have enjoyed every minute of it. It just can't end quickly enough for you. You yearn for those days 1996-2000. You also know that when it ends for the Sox that their is no guarantee that the yankees will reclaim top dog status. It could be the Mets. Wouldn't that be a kick in the balls.

[Coco's Disciples]

BK Kim doesn't like you either.