Official 2009-2010 Hot Stove season thread - Page 14 - Talksox

BSN07 · 10-12-2009, 08:22 AM

Anyone think a Papelbon for Stephen Drew deal makes sense?

AZ gets a big name, probably could shop him at the TDL for a big haul.

Red Sox get a quality SS with some interesting intangibles.

Just a thought for discussion on this over reaction Monday

Dojji · 10-12-2009, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by BSN07

Anyone think a Papelbon for Stephen Drew deal makes sense?

AZ gets a big name, probably could shop him at the TDL for a big haul.

Red Sox get a quality SS with some interesting intangibles.

Just a thought for discussion on this over reaction Monday

I think a deal for Stephen Drew makes some sense, but frankly I don't know if Arizona is willing to deal him for a relief pitcher, however talented. You know as well as I do that there's multiple schools of thought on whether a high priced relief pitcher is actually worth it to a midmarket team.

Add in the fact that the Dbacks aren't really in position to go for it now and I'd say the only way they deal for Papelbon is if they think they can stretch him out.

BSN07 · 10-12-2009, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Dojji

I think a deal for Stephen Drew makes some sense, but frankly I don't know if Arizona is willing to deal him for a relief pitcher, however talented. You know as well as I do that there's multiple schools of thought on whether a high priced relief pitcher is actually worth it to a midmarket team.

Add in the fact that the Dbacks aren't really in position to go for it now and I'd say the only way they deal for Papelbon is if they think they can stretch him out.

I have heard and read Drew's name pop up in a few places. The Sox should really look in on him if it is true and he's available.

Yes I understand Papelbon might not be a fit(I saw it mentioned in conversations on other sites so I figured I'd bring it up for discussion here), but the Sox must match up somewhere. Drew although will surely cost something, should cost less then other SS's that are available. Leaving the team resources to fill other positions as well.

I think having the younger Drew join his older brother in Boston could have great effects on both players. Nothing like a little good old fashioned sibling rivalry to he push the Drew brothers along

Dipre · 10-12-2009, 10:13 AM

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he tripled his walks and forgot how to throw his out pitch. My early reaction were reactionary. I'm fine if he is the closer next season, but like ex1, if he won't sign an extension, he should be made available and traded if the package is right for the club.

Save conversion rate, ERA,WHIP, K/9?

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I could use your this argument against you for my Felix discussions,

Theo covets player- check
Theo has tried previously to acquire player- check

Real need- Uncheck.

There ya go.

Dojji · 10-12-2009, 10:28 AM

Assuming we get one of Bay and Holliday do we have a "real need" for Adrian Gonzalez?

Recognizing that there's a difference between "would represent a re-frickin-ridulous upgrade" and "real need" of course.

superdeluxe · 10-12-2009, 10:31 AM

Are the Red Sox still on the market for Felix?

Dojji · 10-12-2009, 10:32 AM

I'm not sure.

None of us would object to having him on the roster of course, but I think we all recognize that we wouldn't like the price tag.

bostonule25 · 10-12-2009, 10:36 AM

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Assuming we get one of Bay and Holliday do we have a "real need" for Adrian Gonzalez?

Recognizing that there's a difference between "would represent a re-frickin-ridulous upgrade" and "real need" of course.

Yes, we'd still have virtually the same offense that was blanked by the Angels staff he first 2 games with an even older Ortiz Lowell and Varitek

Dojji · 10-12-2009, 10:40 AM

I wouldn't read too much into a 3 game stretch even if those 3 games were the 2009 ALDS. This is also mostly the same offense that was pretty effective in the 2008 playoffs.

Adam LaRoche is a free agent, and so is Nick Johnson. both would replace the production we lost when Lowell started getting older. They're Type B as well according to Cot's so all they'd cost is money.

I'd look into "spending just money" on one of those two before I blew the farm on Adrian. But that's just me.

Dipre · 10-12-2009, 10:41 AM

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Yes, we'd still have virtually the same offense that was blanked by the Angels staff he first 2 games with an even older Ortiz Lowell and Varitek

If we get AGon, we'd have to dump Lowell.

Your logic is correct though, but for Doiji, it's just "marginal gain"

Dipre · 10-12-2009, 10:41 AM

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Adam LaRoche is a free agent, and so is Nick Johnson. both would replace the production we lost when Lowell started getting older. He's a capable above average fielder and a competent 1B. I'd look into "spending just money" on one of those two before I blew the farm on Adrian. But that's just me.

Oh.My.God.

Dojji · 10-12-2009, 10:44 AM

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Oh.My.God.

You rang?

If I have to give up Buchhhoz or similar value in prospects to get Adrian Gonzalez, but can score Nick Johnson for just the price of the contract, the scales in my mind tip pretty heavily in favor of Johnson.

Dipre · 10-12-2009, 10:44 AM

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You rang?

If I have to give up Buchhhoz or similar value in prospects to get Adrian Gonzalez, but can score Nick Johnson for just the price of the contract, the scales in my mind tip pretty heavily in favor of Johnson.

Lol ok.

BSN07 · 10-12-2009, 10:48 AM

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Save conversion rate, ERA,WHIP, K/9?

Listen I said trade Papelbon, but it's not with much conviction. I'm fine with him remaining the closer.

Real need- Uncheck.

There ya go.

I believe this is the point of the discussion where exp1 comes and and tells us the win share or VORP(can never remember which he prefers) difference between having Felix/Lowell/Youk over Agon/Youk/SP

Dipre · 10-12-2009, 10:50 AM

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I believe this is the point of the discussion where exp1 comes and and tells us the win share or VORP(can never remember which he prefers) difference between having Felix/Lowell/Youk over Agon/Youk/SP

Yeah we really need to wait for e1.

I'm just too lazy to look it up myself.