Official 2009-2010 Hot Stove season thread - Page 9 - Talksox

bostonule25 · 10-11-2009, 11:00 PM

we should blow away for HamRam, we really need him

Dojji · 10-11-2009, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dipre

This is sensible.

But you miss my point.

Mauer's a FA after next year, Gonzales and Hanley are not.

It's as simple as that.

Sure, and I understand that. I think that's the only way anyone would ever countenance trading Mauer away -- is if he's in the last year of his deal and making salary demands that are so big that if you give in you don't feel like you'll have money left to build a team around him.

Of a group of players including Joe Mauer, Adrian Gonzalez, Felix Hernandez and Hanley Ramirez, if Mauer isn't at the top in value he's second to Felix.

bsox0407 · 10-11-2009, 11:01 PM

i see cliff lee may be an option as a pitcher. he could be really good in boston.

Dipre · 10-11-2009, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dojji

Sure, and I understand that. I think that's the only way anyone would ever countenance trading Mauer away -- is if he's in the last year of his deal and making salary demands that are so big that if you give in you don't feel like you'll have money left to build a team around him.

Of a group of players including Joe Mauer, Adrian Gonzalez, Felix Hernandez and Hanley Ramirez, if Mauer isn't at the top in value he's second to Felix.

He's at the top in value for this team, at least IMHO.

But the problem that i point out is a big one.

bostonule25 · 10-11-2009, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bsox0407

i see cliff lee may be an option as a pitcher. he could be really good in boston.

Philly keeps him

Dojji · 10-11-2009, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dipre

He's at the top in value for this team, at least IMHO.

But the problem that i point out is a big one.

Yeah, but I think that if they trade for Mauer, a contract extension is going to be part of the deal, so that problem is only one if Mauer isn't keen to be a Red Sox long-term.

In which case we weren't getting him anyway.

Dipre · 10-11-2009, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dojji

Yeah, but I think that if they trade for Mauer, a contract extension is going to be part of the deal, so that problem is only one if Mauer isn't keen to be a Red Sox long-term.

In which case we weren't getting him anyway.

Oh?

It wasn't part of the deal for Holliday.

Until such a thing actually happens, i'm sticking with going for the guy who'd under team control for more than one year so we don't find ourselves in the dilemma that the Cards are facing now.

Dojji · 10-11-2009, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bsox0407

i see cliff lee may be an option as a pitcher. he could be really good in boston.

Cliff Lee makes me very nervous. I'm not sure how he'd react to pitching half his games at Fenway. He strikes me, perhaps unfairly so, as the kind of pitcher who would struggle in that situation.

bsox0407 · 10-11-2009, 11:05 PM

daniel cabrera is on the market and he throws hard and if tought correctly could be good.

Dipre · 10-11-2009, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dojji

Cliff Lee makes me very nervous. I'm not sure how he'd react to pitching half his games at Fenway. He strikes me, perhaps unfairly so, as the kind of pitcher who would struggle in that situation.

It strikes you unfairly.

Dipre · 10-11-2009, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bsox0407

daniel cabrera is on the market and he throws hard and if tought correctly could be good.

Dude please.

jacksonianmarch · 10-11-2009, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Dipre

Oh?

It wasn't part of the deal for Holliday.

Until such a thing actually happens, i'm sticking with going for the guy who'd under team control for more than one year so we don't find ourselves in the dilemma that the Cards are facing now.

that's because it was a mid season deal. A lot of the offseason deals would require a contract extension

**Coco's Disciples** · 10-11-2009, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dojji

Cliff Lee makes me very nervous. I'm not sure how he'd react to pitching half his games at Fenway. He strikes me, perhaps unfairly so, as the kind of pitcher who would struggle in that situation.

That's odd, considering his performance in Philly.

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Originally Posted by bsox0407

daniel cabrera is on the market and he throws hard and if tought correctly could be good.

Dear god no.

bsox0407 · 10-11-2009, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Coco's Disciples

That's odd, considering his performance in Philly.

i think if cliff hit the market he could be really good in Fenway and really helpful on the road.

Dear god no.

he could always be turned into a bullpen arm.

plus i think tazawa is going to be like clay was this year.

Dipre · 10-11-2009, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch

that's because it was a mid season deal. A lot of the offseason deals would require a contract extension

A lot. Not all.