Bay vs. Holliday - Page 10 - Talksox

TheKilo · 10-15-2009, 09:40 AM

Example, great post - one minor quibble is comparing Youk and Holliday through their age 28 seasons, Youk got to the bigs later than Holliday did. I'd love to see a comparison of the two for their first thre or four full seasons.

example1 · 10-15-2009, 11:45 AM

First 3 full seasons:

Holliday: 1632 PA: .310/.368/.533/.902 (162 G: 22 HR, 86 RBI)
Youkilis: 1926 PA: .293/..387/.483/.869 (162 G: 19 HR, 90 RBI)

First 4 full seasons:

Holliday: 2345 PA: .319/.380/.556/.935; (162 G: 30 HR, 115 RBI)
Youkilis: 2514 PA: .296/.393/.498/.891; (162 G: 21 HR, 91 RBI)

* Of course, those were Holliday's age 24, 25 and 26 seasons, and Youk's age 27, 28, and 29 seasons.

Dipre · 10-15-2009, 12:09 PM

Well, to finish the comparison, some may say defense in left field is "only a tiebreaker" but if the Sox are gonna go balls out on a player, it should be someone who can catch the ball, and will not be a DH by 2012, that player is Matt Holliday.

rhet · 10-15-2009, 01:16 PM

Just as long as he promises no more basket catches in the playoffs.

BSN07 · 10-15-2009, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Dipre

Well, to finish the comparison, some may say defense in left field is "only a tiebreaker" but if the Sox are gonna go balls out on a player, it should be someone who can catch the ball, and will not be a DH by 2012, that player is Matt Holliday.

I agree. There going to need a DH eventually, but they don't need to invest 90+m in one. If there making that kind of commitment then it should be a player that contributes at the plate and in the field.

TheKilo · 10-15-2009, 03:19 PM

One point that I also think hasn't been touched on enough is the befit of Holliday hitting in Fenway for 81+ games. Stats aside, think of all the dents he'd put into the Monster.

BSN07 · 10-15-2009, 04:54 PM

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One point that I also think hasn't been touched on enough is the befit of Holliday hitting in Fenway for 81+ games. Stats aside, think of all the dents he'd put into the Monster.

I'm with you there. I think Holliday could put up huge numbers at Fenway.

Sweet Chin Music33 · 10-16-2009, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Dipre

Well, to finish the comparison, some may say defense in left field is "only a tiebreaker" but if the Sox are gonna go balls out on a player, it should be someone who can catch the ball, and will not be a DH by 2012, that player is Matt Holliday.

UGHHHHHHHHH

Wasnt I the one who was parading Holliday since I dont know, the trading deadline!!!! While you/others were telling me that there wasnt that much of a difference/Bay was a more productive hitter because Holliday was overrated sicne he was sinking in Oakland?

I apologize way in advance if I am wrong Dipre, but I could of sworn we were butting heads about this at some point.

If not, im glad we agree. If we were butting heads, thanks for seeing my point finally.

Go back through the threads, I was pissed when the Cards got him, bc I thought we had a chance and at the time both Papi AND Bay were struggling along with the injury to Lowell. I was pissed at the package the Cards got him with.

PS. You are slightly more jacked than me.

example1 · 10-16-2009, 01:53 AM

I for one am in favor of getting him as a FA. I was not interested in trading to get him.

The reason? With Boras as his agent he wouldn't sign a longer term deal so they would still have had to acquire him this off-season via free agency.

Dipre · 10-16-2009, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by example1

I for one am in favor of getting him as a FA. I was not interested in trading to get him.

The reason? With Boras as his agent he wouldn't sign a longer term deal so they would still have had to acquire him this off-season via free agency.

This was always my POV as well.

BSN07 · 10-16-2009, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by example1

I for one am in favor of getting him as a FA. I was not interested in trading to get him.

The reason? With Boras as his agent he wouldn't sign a longer term deal so they would still have had to acquire him this off-season via free agency.

This was one of the very few hang ups on Hollidays there was for me.

jacksonianmarch · 10-19-2009, 10:59 AM

Buster Olney is reporting that the sox will likely not go past 4 yrs for Bay. I had read before that the sox are looking at a 3yr deal with a 4th yr club option.

a700hitter · 10-19-2009, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch

Buster Olney is reporting that the sox will likely not go past 4 yrs for Bay. I had read before that the sox are looking at a 3yr deal with a 4th yr club option.

They had better start to realize that there is a substantial gap with the Yankees that needs to be closed.

Dojji · 10-19-2009, 12:00 PM

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They had better start to realize that there is a substantial gap with the Yankees that needs to be closed.

And when they sign Bay or Holliday there will still be a substantial gap with the Yankees that needs to be closed. And playing just for this year is not going to close it. Not to mention what sticking too long with the wrong guy will do to us. Look what it did to the Yankees over the last few years.

example1 · 10-19-2009, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch

Buster Olney is reporting that the sox will likely not go past 4 yrs for Bay. I had read before that the sox are looking at a 3yr deal with a 4th yr club option.

Per usual, they're screwed if they do and screwed if they don't.

Do: end up overpaying by probably at LEAST 1 year, possibly more, limit future flexibility and competitiveness. See: Lowell, Mike; Ortiz, David.

Don't: have huge hole in lineup, don't have adequate offensive production now.

Only one team can stomach having players on their roster for too many years who shouldn't be there...