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11-22-2009, 09:35 AM
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#301 (permalink)
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Legend
Join Date: Oct 30 2006
Location: Huizen, Netherlands
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Re: Bay vs. Holliday
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Originally Posted by RedSox2737
holliday doesn't want to come to boston.......he wants to go to the mets or yankees
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Holliday will sign with whoever gives him the biggest check. Thats the way Boras operates.
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If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits eighty-eight miles per hour... you're gonna see some serious shit.
Last edited by BSN07; 11-22-2009 at 02:14 PM.
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11-22-2009, 10:51 AM
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#302 (permalink)
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All-Star
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Re: Bay vs. Holliday
Bay's defense is being used as a negotiating tool. Sox FO did a good job with the propaganda.
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11-22-2009, 12:05 PM
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#303 (permalink)
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Deity
Join Date: Apr 17 2006
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Re: Bay vs. Holliday
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Originally Posted by rhet
Bay's defense is being used as a negotiating tool. Sox FO did a good job with the propaganda.
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11-22-2009, 12:25 PM
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#304 (permalink)
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Legend
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Re: Bay vs. Holliday
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Originally Posted by rhet
Bay's defense is being used as a negotiating tool. Sox FO did a good job with the propaganda.
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There is no propaganda, his defense is really that bad.
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11-23-2009, 09:29 AM
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#305 (permalink)
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Re: Bay vs. Holliday
He makes the plays he supposed to make.
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11-23-2009, 09:56 AM
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#306 (permalink)
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Super Moderator
Join Date: Apr 27 2006
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Re: Bay vs. Holliday
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Originally Posted by rhet
He makes the plays he supposed to make.
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He does have a league leading MTPHSTM of 67, but his UZRs the past three years are -11.5, -18.4 and -13, respectively.
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.asp...n=2009&month=0 |
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11-23-2009, 09:59 AM
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#307 (permalink)
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Legend
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Re: Bay vs. Holliday
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Originally Posted by rhet
He makes the plays he supposed to make.
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Probably not the best way to gauge his defensive worth.
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If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits eighty-eight miles per hour... you're gonna see some serious shit.
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11-23-2009, 10:17 AM
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#308 (permalink)
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Deity
Join Date: Aug 04 2008
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Re: Bay vs. Holliday
But probably a consideration in an argument that his lack of defensive worth cuts the value of his bat.
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Fight the hate.
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11-23-2009, 10:21 AM
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#309 (permalink)
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Re: Bay vs. Holliday
What about the idea that Holliday's hitting trailed off so significantly when he was hitting AL pitchers this year, then soared again when he went back to the NL?
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11-23-2009, 10:27 AM
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#310 (permalink)
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Legend
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Re: Bay vs. Holliday
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Originally Posted by soxfan17881
What about the idea that Holliday's hitting trailed off so significantly when he was hitting AL pitchers this year, then soared again when he went back to the NL?
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That argument is always going to be countered with "He played in Oakland". Not the greatest place for hitters. That and his surrounding lineup was uninspiring.
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If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits eighty-eight miles per hour... you're gonna see some serious shit.
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11-23-2009, 11:16 AM
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Defender of Theo
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Re: Bay vs. Holliday
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Originally Posted by BSN07
That argument is always going to be countered with "He played in Oakland". Not the greatest place for hitters. That and his surrounding lineup was uninspiring.
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Plus the fact that his lifetime OPS against AL pitching is .880.
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Has anyone noticed that Adrian Beltre, while not perfect (no plate discipline), is actually a pretty good ball player?
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11-23-2009, 11:16 AM
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#312 (permalink)
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Defender of Theo
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Re: Bay vs. Holliday
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Originally Posted by Dojji
But probably a consideration in an argument that his lack of defensive worth cuts the value of his bat.
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The only one who's making that consideration is you, champ.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ORS
Has anyone noticed that Adrian Beltre, while not perfect (no plate discipline), is actually a pretty good ball player?
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11-23-2009, 11:17 AM
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#313 (permalink)
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Re: Bay vs. Holliday
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Originally Posted by Coco's Disciples
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His UZR is negatively overweighted by his lack of range. His other UZR components are average or better.
Since LF range in Fenway is largely immaterial, I'd say his overall defense should not be a major factor in his value to the Red Sox.
Last edited by rhet; 11-23-2009 at 11:19 AM.
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11-23-2009, 11:23 AM
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Defender of Theo
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Re: Bay vs. Holliday
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Originally Posted by rhet
His UZR is negatively overweighted by his lack of range. His other UZR components are average or better.
Since LF range in Fenway is largely immaterial, I'd say his overall defense should not be a major factor in his value to the Red Sox.
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What about the other 81 games?
Listen, no one here is against the Sox signing Bay, but the fact is his defense is horrible and it's not going to get better.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ORS
Has anyone noticed that Adrian Beltre, while not perfect (no plate discipline), is actually a pretty good ball player?
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11-23-2009, 11:57 AM
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Legend
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Location: Massachusetts
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Re: Bay vs. Holliday
I wouldn't say Bay's D is horrible. Just "not good".
All in all, he is a serviceable left fielder. I don't think he is a big liability defensively.
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