V-Mart's future in Boston past 2010? - Talksox

TheMino007 · 11-18-2009, 07:49 PM

I wonder what V-Mart's future with the Red Sox will be, we have picked up his option for this year, and all I've heard are whisperings that the Sox want to extend him. Would it be feasible and smart to extended V-Mart long term? I don't think his long term future is as a catcher, as we have seen during his final couple of years in Cleveland, he was trending more to being converted to a 1stbaseman. He's one of the best hitting catchers in all of baseball, but his defensive skills aren't impressive and how many games can he be limited to catching to before it starts to effect his offense? 100? 110? 120? Anyway, he is a decent firstbaseman in terms of offensive production, good, nothing great. An everyday firstbaseman will usually put up around that .830 OPS number that V-Mart has. He loses all his value when you transition him to 1stbase. I'd much rather try and trade for Gonzalez or Cabrera then slide V-Mart over there full time and try and find another young catcher for the future. How long to Exposito is ready? Three years? Two at the earliest? That is how long I would consider giving a contract offer to V-Mart for.

Dipre · 11-18-2009, 08:17 PM

For one, V-Mart had an .861 OPS last season, even at first base, that's valuable, add to that the ability to catch even if on a limited basis, and i have no idea how you can say he "loses his value" if moved to first, that's one of the dumbest things i have ever, ever heard, and i don't mean to insult you but Jesus Christ.

Second, you use the term "young catcher of the future" pretty loosely. There really aren't that many options *Cough* Joe Mauer *Cough*.

TheMino007 · 11-18-2009, 08:28 PM

He has more offensive value as a catcher than a first basemen, I don't know why you can't wrap your head around it

Dipre · 11-18-2009, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMino007

He has more offensive value as a catcher than a first basemen, I don't know why you can't wrap your head around it

You said he would lose ALL HIS VALUE. So of course i can't wrap my head around it Einstein.

**Coco's Disciples** · 11-18-2009, 08:29 PM

He doesn't lose all value, but I think it does go down. Offensively, as a catcher he's one of the few best in the game. As a 1B he's middle of the pack.

TheMino007 · 11-18-2009, 08:30 PM

thats what I was pretty much trying to get across.

Dipre · 11-18-2009, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Coco's Disciples

He doesn't lose all value, but I think it does go down. Offensively, as a catcher he's one of the few best in the game. As a 1B he's middle of the pack.

He loses some value. Not as much as you'd think given his defensive struggles at the 2 position.

Dipre · 11-18-2009, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMino007

thats what I was pretty much trying to get across.

But not what you wrote.

Jacoby_Ellsbury · 11-18-2009, 10:18 PM

Who cares? An .861 OPS is an .861 OPS. This positional offensive value stuff is garbage.

**Coco's Disciples** · 11-18-2009, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jacoby_Ellsbury

Who cares? An .861 OPS is an .861 OPS. This positional offensive value stuff is garbage.

And it's a lot easier to find a .861 OPS at 1B than catcher. There were 16 first basemen this season with an OPS higher than Martinez's, but only one catcher. An .861 OPS is an .861 OPS, but when you have a guy who can play both positions, offensively he is exceedingly more valuable at catcher. It's not even close.

Jacoby_Ellsbury · 11-18-2009, 10:31 PM

I think he should catch. Positional offensive value as a whole annoys me. I look at offense, I look at the batting order, not the field.

TheKilo · 11-18-2009, 10:46 PM

You really can't see the value of positional when comparing offenses? Really?

Anyway, I'd be wary of giving Martinez anything longer than a three year contract extension. Then again, they did it for Varitek so I bet you'll see them do it for VMart.

Jacoby_Ellsbury · 11-18-2009, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TheKilo

You really can't see the value of positional when comparing offenses? Really?

Nope. A good OPS is a good OPS, a good SLG is a good SLG, etc.

Dipre · 11-18-2009, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TheKilo

You really can't see the value of positional when comparing offenses? Really?

Anyway, I'd be wary of giving Martinez anything longer than a three year contract extension. Then again, they did it for Varitek so I bet you'll see them do it for VMart.

I don't think they'll go more than 3 years.

redsoxrules · 11-18-2009, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TheKilo

You really can't see the value of positional when comparing offenses? Really?

Anyway, I'd be wary of giving Martinez anything longer than a three year contract extension. Then again, they did it for Varitek so I bet you'll see them do it for VMart.

me too, I'd rather just go hard for Mauer