Lester on the block - Talksox

Designated Hater · 11-27-2012, 01:40 PM

Time to go friend.

Your story was a good one while you were fighting and beating cancer, but from a baseball standpoint, you have not fulfilled your potential. You came close in 2009/2010, but went backwards the last couple years. And it also seems that you are easily swayed into partaking in activities that are detrimental to your teams well-being.

Ship him to KC and get this thing moving for 2013 already.

MANNYHOF24 · 11-27-2012, 01:59 PM

I think this would be a mistake. He is still only 28, had a few down years (2011 wasn't bad by any means). The Red Sox will always be able to buy offense, I don't agree with unloading your potential best arm with the team so starved for pitching. I fully expect Lester to work his ass off this winter and have a rebound year.

jopete19 · 11-27-2012, 02:24 PM

Well put... I think the Sox hired JF to better our pitchers. Don't get rid of Lester. He still has good innings left in him.

rjortiz · 11-27-2012, 03:12 PM

Lester for Myers is more than fair value for us. Sign Grienke as a replacement, and you've upgraded two areas of need.

Bellhorn04 · 11-27-2012, 03:15 PM

Interesting rumor, I'll be checking MLBTR as always but I'm not holding my breath on this one coming to reality.

onlybereaved · 11-27-2012, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by MANNYHOF24

I think this would be a mistake. He is still only 28, had a few down years (2011 wasn't bad by any means). The Red Sox will always be able to buy offense, I don't agree with unloading your potential best arm with the team so starved for pitching. I fully expect Lester to work his ass off this winter and have a rebound year.

Agreed/Backed. My vote would go to keeping Lester.

Lord Snow · 11-27-2012, 05:43 PM

Lester is not on the block.

The Red Sox only have 2/5ths of the rotation filled with quality arms. Do you really think they're looking to make it 1/5th?

While the deal would be attractive to a team with 5 or 6 good options for the rotation the Sox simply cannot afford to part with Lester or Buchholz this offseason. No way.

Lucienbel · 11-27-2012, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MANNYHOF24

I think this would be a mistake. He is still only 28, had a few down years (2011 wasn't bad by any means). The Red Sox will always be able to buy offense, I don't agree with unloading your potential best arm with the team so starved for pitching. I fully expect Lester to work his ass off this winter and have a rebound year.

I'm also going to agree. Way too soon to give up on him, and I see him still having some good years left in the future.

wetcamelfood · 11-27-2012, 06:34 PM

I was ready to trade him for Johan Santana then I heard Farrell say he would be a 15 game winner and thought he was nuts but he was right, he was great when Farrell was here. No coincidence to me that he sucked the minute Farrell left so now that he's back I say keep him too. Fair enough if Les still sucks later but for now no trade. I guess my only concern is if our pitchers run to Farrell for advice if they don't like what they hear from whoever is going to be the pitching coach now then he'll think "why am I here if they're going to ask Farrell everything" but whatever that's their problem to figure out I guess.

Lord Snow · 11-27-2012, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by wetcamelfood

I was ready to trade him for Johan Santana then I heard Farrell say he would be a 15 game winner and thought he was nuts but he was right, he was great when Farrell was here. No coincidence to me that he sucked the minute Farrell left so now that he's back I say keep him too. Fair enough if Les still sucks later but for now no trade. I guess my only concern is if our pitchers run to Farrell for advice if they don't like what they hear from whoever is going to be the pitching coach now then he'll think "why am I here if they're going to ask Farrell everything" but whatever that's their problem to figure out I guess.

It wouldn't be a bad idea for the Red Sox to go out and maybe trade for Johan Santana this off-season. The Mets would probably welcome the opportunity to get rid of his contract (he's owed $31M through 2013; $25.5M in 2013 + $25M club option with $5.5M buyout for 2014).

Santana pitched well during the first half of 2012 but an ankle injury and a back injury destroyed his second half and ultimately ended his season early. I'm encouraged by the fact that his arm is okay. The Sox have the money to spend and Santana threw 103 innings before the ASB with a 3.24 ERA. I'd like that kind of production on the Sox.

Complete fringe trade idea, but I'd be happy with it.

a700hitter · 11-27-2012, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord Snow

It wouldn't be a bad idea for the Red Sox to go out and maybe trade for Johan Santana this off-season. The Mets would probably welcome the opportunity to get rid of his contract (he's owed $31M through 2013; $25.5M in 2013 + $25M club option with $5.5M buyout for 2014).

Santana pitched well during the first half of 2012 but an ankle injury and a back injury destroyed his second half and ultimately ended his season early. I'm encouraged by the fact that his arm is okay. The Sox have the money to spend and Santana threw 103 innings before the ASB with a 3.24 ERA. I'd like that kind of production on the Sox.

Complete fringe trade idea, but I'd be happy with it.

It's worth looking into since he brings only a 2 year commitment. Is Cherries creative enough to consider this?

SeanJohn93 · 11-27-2012, 07:15 PM

Santana is owed too much money and has been an injury concern ever since joining the mets. No way do I want him and his lucrative contract on the sox and give up significant prospects for him

a700hitter · 11-27-2012, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SeanJohn93

Santana is owed too much money and has been an injury concern ever since joining the mets. No way do I want him and his lucrative contract on the sox and give up significant prospects for him

I wouldn't consider giving up significant prospects in a salary dump.

Orange Juiced · 11-27-2012, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucienbel

I'm also going to agree. Way too soon to give up on him, and I see him still having some good years left in the future.

I would definitely consider trading him for Myers, and I wouldn't consider it "giving up on" Lester. I would consider it for two reasons:

(1) that they would have an opportunity to trade him for a major, major offensive prospect, and

(2) that there is more pitching available in the free agent market than there is good hitting. So they could go right back out and fill that pitching void easier than they could acquire a potential 35-40 home run bat that they'd have cost-controlled for years.

I think Lester is likely to have a good year this year; I'm not advocating giving up on him. I just think you could trade him for something really special and use your other resources (namely, money) to fill in the other holes.

Emmz · 11-27-2012, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord Snow

Lester is not on the block.

The Red Sox only have 2/5ths of the rotation filled with quality arms. Do you really think they're looking to make it 1/5th?

While the deal would be attractive to a team with 5 or 6 good options for the rotation the Sox simply cannot afford to part with Lester or Buchholz this offseason. No way.

Would you still consider Lester a quality starter, though? Everyone's making the assumption that Farrell is the reason for his successes, and lack thereof.