Kobe on fire

[jacksonianmarch]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=270322029

 

cant stand the guy, but 3 straight 50 point outings with a 65 and a 60 mixed in is ridiculous.

[redsoxrules]

to bad he cant make those performance in the playoffs , where he'll be out of the first round again this year

[BSN07]

Ya I really dislike him but he is a baller, Can't hate on him for that. But ya he will be gone in the first round because everyone will triple team him and there no one else on the team to fill in.

[See Red]

to bad he cant make those performance in the playoffs ' date=' where he'll be out of the first round again this year[/quote']

 

Seriously? The guy has three rings, man.

[redsoxrules]

Seriously? The guy has three rings' date=' man.[/quote']

 

the guy has 3 ring ? yeah he does , shaq got it for him

[See Red]

the guy has 3 ring ? yeah he does ' date=' shaq got it for him[/quote']

 

********... Shaq needed Kobe as much as Kobe needed Shaq. Sure, Shaq's had more success without Kobe -- but Shaq has NEVER been without an all-star guard.

[See Red]

42 points in the third quarter against the Hornets. This guy is lights out.

[YanksHater213]

just hit 50 with 5 and change left

[Manny Goes Boom]

********... Shaq needed Kobe as much as Kobe needed Shaq. Sure' date=' Shaq's had more success without Kobe -- but Shaq has NEVER been without an all-star guard.[/quote']

 

I don't totally disagree but I'd rephrase that first part "Shaq needed Kobe, but not as much as Kobe needed Shaq." Up until last season I'd agree whole heartedly with what you said, but Shaq (albeit with a PHENOMINAL guard) won a ring without Kobe so that argument has lost some of it's legitamicy.

[See Red]

I don't totally disagree but I'd rephrase that first part "Shaq needed Kobe' date=' but not as much as Kobe needed Shaq." Up until last season I'd agree whole heartedly with what you said, but Shaq (albeit with a PHENOMINAL guard) won a ring without Kobe so that argument has lost some of it's legitamicy.[/quote']

 

Dwyane Wade.

 

A lot of very good role players, too.

 

I don't think that does anything to disprove the argument.

[Manny Goes Boom]

Dwyane Wade.

 

A lot of very good role players, too.

 

I don't think that does anything to disprove the argument.

 

NO, but what I mean is that Shaq could do it with others, and Kobe hasn't done it on his own like he thought he could. Kobe would have zero rings if it weren't for the Diesel.

[See Red]

He didn't just do it with others. He did it with another great player and a much better supporting cast than he had with the Lakers. Alonzo Mourning coming off of the bench.

 

Kobe hasn't had anywhere that good of a team around him. You'd have to add someone like Chris Bosh to the current Lakers roster for that to be even close to a fair comparison.

[BoSox34]

Don't forget the 1994-95 Orlando Magic who made it to the NBA finals on the shoulders of Shaq and Penny Hardaway.

 

Healthy Shaq + Star Guard (Opponents can't allow him to take over the game) + Decent supporting cast = NBA champions.

[See Red]

Know the biggest reason why the Heat won the Finals last year?

 

42

36

43

36

 

They won the NBA Finals on the back of some great, great performances by Dwyane Wade.

 

Penny Hardaway was an All-NBA First Team player the year they went to the Finals. Shaq has had a top 5 guard everywhere he's played at. Give Kobe a great big man to work with and we'll talk.

[Rodney Harrison]

That's the thing. Good centers are harder to find than good guards.

[TheKilo]

I was hoping there'd be some crazy YouTube link in this thread.

[redsoxrules]

streak is over but still scored 43 ..... and the kobe - jordan argument is starting again .. wich i dont know why cause its not even close jordan> kobe

[See Red]

streak is over but still scored 43 ..... and the kobe - jordan argument is starting again .. wich i dont know why cause its not even close jordan> kobe

 

Doesn't matter anyway because Wilt > Jordan

[TheKilo]

Doesn't matter anyway because Wilt > Jordan

 

Ehhh I dunno about that. Bill Russell was always the thorn in Wilt's side....can't really think of anyone who was like that for MJ.

[jacksonianmarch]

Ehhh I dunno about that. Bill Russell was always the thorn in Wilt's side....can't really think of anyone who was like that for MJ.

 

what I find amazing is Jordan wins 3 in a row. Takes 2 yrs off essentially and then wins 3 in a row again. With the competition in the 90s being what it was vs what Wilt faced, Jordan was a man among men while Wilt was a man among boys. Jordan was unbelievable.

[TheKilo]

I think we can all agree that if Jordan didn't take two years off the Bulls win 8 straight and guys like Cassell and Olajuwon don't have rings.

[See Red]

Ehhh I dunno about that. Bill Russell was always the thorn in Wilt's side....can't really think of anyone who was like that for MJ.

 

There were, like, 12 hall of famers on the Celtics during that dynasty. It was hardly all Bill Russell. You can't fault the guy for playing in the same era as the greatest dynasty in professional sports history.

 

Think about how insane 50 points and 25 rebounds a game for an entire season is.

[jacksonianmarch]

I was a pretty big knicks fan before I kinda stopped watching the NBA and nobody ever gave me a feeling that my team had no chance like Jordan. Even with Ewing and a perennial 50 win team, the knicks had ZERO chance against Jordan. I have never felt that way about one athlete in any sport. he was the only one.

[See Red]

I was a pretty big knicks fan before I kinda stopped watching the NBA and nobody ever gave me a feeling that my team had no chance like Jordan. Even with Ewing and a perennial 50 win team' date=' the knicks had ZERO chance against Jordan. I have never felt that way about one athlete in any sport. he was the only one.[/quote']

 

http://www2.raisport.rai.it/news/sport/nba/200006/08/393faebd02d6b/6.jpg

 

Reggie Miller: Knick killer

[jacksonianmarch]

Touche.

[See Red]

Touche.

 

I definetely understand what you're saying. But Reggie Miller in MSG -- oh man. He's got some all-time great performances there.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

With all due respect to Reggie Miller we did atleast beat the Pacers three times that I remember (93, 94, 99). We never ever beat a JORDAN led Bulls team. Btw Miller's 8 points in 8.9 seconds ranks up there in my all time worst sports moments.

[Cityofchampions33]

With all due respect to Reggie Miller we did atleast beat the Pacers three times that I remember (93' date=' 94, 99). We never ever beat a JORDAN led Bulls team. Btw Miller's 8 points in 8.9 seconds ranks up there in my all time worst sports moments.[/quote']

 

Hah, yeah, I was with my grandparents (from NY) for that one. Touch to watch.

[TheKilo]

There were, like, 12 hall of famers on the Celtics during that dynasty. It was hardly all Bill Russell. You can't fault the guy for playing in the same era as the greatest dynasty in professional sports history.

 

Think about how insane 50 points and 25 rebounds a game for an entire season is.

 

Think about the competition level.

[See Red]

There weren't any great NBA players in the 60's? News to me...

 

 

He only had to play against guys like Elgin Baylor, Bill Russell, Oscar Robertson, Nate Thurmond, Bob Pettit, Walt Bellamy, and Willis Reed. Those were better than the big men we've had in the league for a long time.