Who would you take Part II? Cano or Pedroia? - Page 2 - Talksox

Gom · 08-13-2007, 04:33 PM

I have to say, Cano falls asleep while playing like Manny does sometimes, but he always hustles. However, he makes that play to his right better than any secondbaseman in baseball. If he gets to the ball over the bag, you're out, even if your name is Ichiro. He has as strong an arm at second in the game.

He Hate Me · 08-13-2007, 04:34 PM

btw how is it that a man as small as Pedroia has so few steals? is he that slow?

Cano sometimes has trouble with the routine plays, and he did have a focus issue early on this year IMO.

I'd take him over Dustin because while Pedroia has a chance to be a consistent .310 Avg, .400 OPS guy (which is excellent). I see Cano as eventually developing 30 HR power, and perennial batting champ contender, all the while improviing his OBP every year.

example1 · 08-13-2007, 04:39 PM

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So this thread isn't trolling?

LOL!

Glad to see that this thread has created a meaningful discussion. I would have to say I would take Cano over Pedroia. I am tough on players unless they do it for more than one year, I would have to see Pedroia do it again next year to be convinced. Too many one year wonders.

As it is, I think that Pedroia will be a better version of Eckstein. One of those gamers, the gritty type player. Cano reminds me of a young Carew, with more power, and not as good an eye. He has that sweet swing Carew had.

Both players are solid, but I think Cano will have the better career.

Pedroia kept a .392 OBP throughout his minor league career. I wouldn't call that a one-year-wonder. He was the NCAA defensive player of the year and has made enough big plays this season for me to say "yup, he SHOULD have been defensive player of the year". there are lots of players who are one-year-wonders, but I don't think that either of these guys fit that category. You will be seeing plenty of both for years to come.

I'll take Pedroia's plus defense and plus fielding over Cano's power and decent defense.

example1 · 08-13-2007, 04:42 PM

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btw how is it that a man as small as Pedroia has so few steals? is he that slow?

Cano sometimes has trouble with the routine plays, and he did have a focus issue early on this year IMO.

I'd take him over Dustin because while Pedroia has a chance to be a consistent .310 Avg, .400 OPS guy (which is excellent). I see Cano as eventually developing 30 HR power, and perennial batting champ contender, all the while improviing his OBP every year.

Yes, but groudballs between his legs will cost them games. He's a GREAT player, but at 2B I want consistency both in the field and at the plate. Cano's .348 career OBP (with a .316 avg) tells me he isn't as consistent as one would like.

This is a tough one...

EDIT: also, yes, Pedroia is not very fast. He has okay speed, but nothing to write home about. he is the quintessential #2 hitter IMO.

He Hate Me · 08-13-2007, 05:23 PM

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Yes, but groudballs between his legs will cost them games. He's a GREAT player, but at 2B I want consistency both in the field and at the plate. Cano's .348 career OBP (with a .316 avg) tells me he isn't as consistent as one would like.

This is a tough one...

EDIT: also, yes, Pedroia is not very fast. He has okay speed, but nothing to write home about. he is the quintessential #2 hitter IMO.

balls that get by a fielder (whether routine or spectacular)are still balls that get by a fielder

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Cano's walks has gone up every year in the bigs and I expect that number to rise. As a small sampling size he actually walked 3 times in a game couple of games ago. Its seeing things like that which gives me hope for his continued improvement and development as a premier hitter.

Dustin's having a fine year though, and 24 doubles are nothing to sneeze at.

I just think that when you take into account how many 2B can hit like Cano, that gives him the edge IMO. I wouldn't be disappointed at all with Dustin though :p

Rdsxmbnt · 08-13-2007, 06:47 PM

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So this thread isn't trolling?

LOL!

Not that I have to explain this since you know exactly why you started that other thread, but this thread actually asks a legit question. Where was the Farnsworth > Gagne thread when he first got here?

Gom · 08-13-2007, 06:56 PM

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Not that I have to explain this since you know exactly why you started that other thread, but this thread actually asks a legit question. Where was the Farnsworth > Gagne thread when he first got here?

It wasn't, but did anyone, and I mean anyone here foresee Gagne's utter collapse in his first two weeks with the Sox? Considering how badly he's pitched, the comparison is legitimate. It's kind of like comparing the two fattest girls you had sex with. You hope one of them is cute if she loses weight.

Rdsxmbnt · 08-13-2007, 07:00 PM

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It wasn't, but did anyone, and I mean anyone here foresee Gagne's utter collapse in his first two weeks with the Sox? Considering how badly he's pitched, the comparison is legitimate. It's kind of like comparing the two fattest girls you had sex with. You hope one of them is cute if she loses weight.

how would you explain Wang's utter colapse over his past 2.2 innings or so? Does Jeff Weaver start to enter the picture here?

Gom · 08-13-2007, 07:07 PM

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how would you explain Wang's utter colapse over his past 2.2 innings or so? Does Jeff Weaver start to enter the picture here?

What's his numbers over the last EIGHT appearances?

Any pitcher can have a bad game. When you blow in four straight appearances with your new team, it's a different situation. Beckett can get bombed next game. So what? If he gets knocked out 3 starts in a row, you worry, don't you?

Rdsxmbnt · 08-13-2007, 07:15 PM

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What's his numbers over the last EIGHT appearances?

Any pitcher can have a bad game. When you blow in four straight appearances with your new team, it's a different situation. Beckett can get bombed next game. So what? If he gets knocked out 3 starts in a row, you worry, don't you?

Sure, but 4 innings is 4 innings, no matter how bad its way too small a sample size. Farnsworth came to the Yankees and has been a bad MR, he had a good 2005 before he came here but his numbers since joining the organization look a lot more like 2004 than 2005, not to mention his strikeout numbers have completely dropped off this season. Gagne was a franchise CL in his Dodger days, got injured and came back with Texas and threw nearly 30 quality innings. I saw him multiple times pitch against us and a couple other teams and looked very good, notably his breaking pitches. I think he's proven a lot in his career and this season that no matter how bad he has looked that he shouldn't be written off for 2007. Just because he's had a bad debut so far doesn't mean he's completely fallen off the map and turned into a Farnsworth. If it continues all season we'll see but I see no reason why he can't be the pitcher we traded for.

EDIT: and obviously I have no worries that Wang will return to form, but the point stands that the sample is way too small. Heck even Rivera had a 12.15 ERA after his first 8 appearances in 07' and hes bounced back more than good.

Gom · 08-13-2007, 07:20 PM

True. How did this thread turn into Farnsworth and Gagne, though? LOL!

TheKilo · 08-13-2007, 10:16 PM

I'd take Robbie by a hair, but I love Dustin as a player.

See Red · 08-13-2007, 10:21 PM

I take Pedroia just because I can't bring myself to cheer for Cano. He comes off as being so cocky and unlikable. But if that wasn't a factor I'd take Cano. But who knows, he's had an over extra years worth of Big League playing time under his belt, who knows by the time Pedroia gets to that point.

example1 · 08-14-2007, 02:36 AM

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It wasn't, but did anyone, and I mean anyone here foresee Gagne's utter collapse in his first two weeks with the Sox? Considering how badly he's pitched, the comparison is legitimate. It's kind of like comparing the two fattest girls you had sex with. You hope one of them is cute if she loses weight.

You have sex with fat girls? GIRLS? I understand one, but why keep it up, unless you're into that sort of thing??

sorry, couldn't help it.

example1 · 08-14-2007, 02:38 AM

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What's his numbers over the last EIGHT appearances?

Any pitcher can have a bad game. When you blow in four straight appearances with your new team, it's a different situation. Beckett can get bombed next game. So what? If he gets knocked out 3 starts in a row, you worry, don't you?

Beckett got shelled last year, and he's a Cy Young candidate this year.

Rivera blew the lead tonight, and almost blew it last night. He had a horrible start to the season. You're not giving up on him, right? Why? Track record.

Overall, Gagne gave up a big homerun to Miguel Tejada (not the first to do that) and gave up runs to a streaking Balitmore team... a la Mariano Rivera tonight. I just don't think it is that big a deal. shit happens and he's having a hard time finding his role and his groove. he will.