Gammons on Lugo.

[bosoxnation07]

Gammons on Baseball Tonight, mentioned in one of his segments that the Sox could be close to deciding on dealing Lugo. He said the FO is starting to wonder if they can win another pennant with Lugo's sub par field work.

We all new this could happen at some point. Question now is, who matches up for Lugo? I know J will say SD and to try and get Greene. This could be a nice option. Some here will look at his low BA and be turned off. But this kid has power, and a great glove. Put him in a hitters park like Fenway, and that will come up.

For this deal to work, I would imagine that this would be a 3 team deal.

Anyone got any trade ideas? Heres one,

Boston trades Coco to SD, Lugo to CHC, CHC sends a prospect/ or Izturis to SD, Sox recieve Greene plus maybe a BP arm.

[BudLight]

Originally Posted by bosoxnation07

Gammons on Baseball Tonight, mentioned in one of his segments that the Sox could be close to deciding on dealing Lugo. He said the FO is starting to wonder if they can win another pennant with Lugo's sub par field work.

We all new this could happen at some point. Question now is, who matches up for Lugo? I know J will say SD and to try and get Greene. This could be a nice option. Some here will look at his low BA and be turned off. But this kid has power, and a great glove. Put him in a hitters park like Fenway, and that will come up.

For this deal to work, I would imagine that this would be a 3 team deal.

Anyone got any trade ideas? Heres one,

Boston trades Coco to SD, Lugo to CHC, CHC sends a prospect/ or Izturis to SD, Sox recieve Greene plus maybe a BP arm.

I don't see Lugo starting ahead of Ryan Theriot in Chicago so why would Chicago pay him $9M for some spot starts. The Cubs also have a very serviceable backup SS in Ronny Cedeno. Both Theriot and Cedeno are batting above .300 and between the two of them this season their errors do not total Lugo's. Izturis - Chicago??

[Jayhawk Bill]

The Cardinals might take Lugo, but they'd want Boston to absorb some of the salary.

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A Greene-for-Felix Pie rumor floated briefly around the first of May but was shot down. Boston offered Coco Crisp to the Padres for Chase Headley to fill the vacuum caused by Edmonds' departure; Towers didn't make the deal.

There's activity in San Diego, the rumors include Greene, and Crisp + Lugo for Greene answers both teams' issues.

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As an aside, though, with Cora and Lowrie Boston doesn't need to get a shortstop in return for Lugo. A deal with St Louis or some other team for a prospect--maybe with Tavarez as a throw-in, and with Boston picking up most of the salary--might be more likely than my preferred deal for Greene.

[One Red Seat]

It's going to cost them to deal Lugo, IMO. Not cost the quality of the team, mind you, but money. If they are sending money out with the SS, and then paying money to an arbitration salary level player in Khalil Greene, then the calculus of the SS position becomes quite costly. I don't see them doing that when it looks like the more than adequate replacement is sitting in AAA and ready for this level.

Greene made $2.25M last year per BB-Ref. Lowrie makes the minimum. And, I'd bet dollars to donuts he would put up a higher WARP1 than Greene this year.

EDIT: JHB posted while I was typing. I concur, there's no need for a SS in return.

[bosoxnation07]

Can a MOD fix the title please

[bosoxnation07]

I think Lowrie could hold down the spot as well, just putting trade stuff out there for debate.

[BudLight]

Looks like the Cubs are going to send Pie back to AAA. His .222 BA just isn't cutting it right now. The Cubs should be signing Jim Edmonds as soon as he clears waivers today. The Sox platoon of Cora and Lowrie would be their best solution especially since they will have to cover a portion of Lugo's salary if they deal him IMO. I'm not sure about St. Louis taking Tavarez back as long as Tony LaRussa is the manager. There was quite a bit of bad blood there.

[BoSox21]

itll definitely cost the Sox money to get rid of Lugo, not to mention more egg on their face regarding the shortstop situation

[Jayhawk Bill]

Originally Posted by One Red Seat

It's going to cost them to deal Lugo, IMO. Not cost the quality of the team, mind you, but money. If they are sending money out with the SS, and then paying money to an arbitration salary level player in Khalil Greene, then the calculus of the SS position becomes quite costly. I don't see them doing that when it looks like the more than adequate replacement is sitting in AAA and ready for this level.

Greene made $2.25M last year per BB-Ref. Lowrie makes the minimum. And, I'd bet dollars to donuts he would put up a higher WARP1 than Greene this year.

EDIT: JHB posted while I was typing. I concur, there's no need for a SS in return.

All good points.

The biggest reason I keep supporting Lugo + Crisp for Greene is that the positive value of Crisp, both talent and contract considered, more than offsets the negative value of Lugo, again considering the contract. The net is roughly equal to the value of Greene in an average year...and neither his 2007 nor his 2008 thus far has been average for Greene looking at his whole career. He's roughly a .275/.328/.505, 27 HR, 94 RBI hitter on the road over the course of his career. PETCO kills him; Fenway would be ideally suited to his home run swing. Likewise, Coco and Lugo would probably flourish in PETCO. But it's not just that all three players seem better-suited to being in the other team's ballpark, nor that the trade exactly fills San Diego's and Boston's needs, nor that it moves three disaffected and currently unpopular players. It's that the value of talent less salary obligations looks about equal on each side.

There are very few other trades I see as likely where Boston wouldn't eat Lugo's salary.

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BTW, Greene is in the first year of a two-year, $11 million contract. Lugo's contract has three years and $27 million left, plus an avoidable 2011 option. Crisp has two years at $10.5 million plus an $8 million club option for 2010 ($500,000 buyout). The Padres would accept an additional $25 million-odd in salary liability over three years in making the deal, but they'd acquire the shortstop and center fielder from the 2007 World Champions. The Padres appear to have the revenue stream to make this deal were they to choose to do so, and with Greene's stats at their nadir, the fans might applaud their team for making this move.

[Jayhawk Bill]

Originally Posted by BudLight

I'm not sure about St. Louis taking Tavarez back as long as Tony LaRussa is the manager. There was quite a bit of bad blood there.

Excellent point.

With Wellmeyer and Pineiro as their 4-5 starters, they seem to be a team who might need Tavarez's capability to be a swing man, ready to start if needed, but you're right about the issues.

[BudLight]

Originally Posted by Jayhawk Bill

Excellent point.

With Wellmeyer and Pineiro as their 4-5 starters, they seem to be a team who might need Tavarez's capability to be a swing man, ready to start if needed, but you're right about the issues.

They surely could use his versatility, especially with Mulder's poor rehab performances. He may be looked at as a possible closer solution for the Cardinals though. LaRussa would have to bury the hatchet, not sure if his ego will let him though.

[Mr Crunchy]

its rather amusing how badly theo has fucked up the shortstop situation over the years.
we dump nomie and win the world series with the smooth ocabrerra
then we dont even offer him a contract and instead we sign renteria for 40M over 4.
due to his anemic .270/34error season we end up paying packing his ass out of town
for that 1 season of awful production we paid 19,000,000.00....
now we have hanley waiting in the wings as the heir to the throne but we traded him to miami for becks...i have no problems with that deal because pitching is just an essential commodity that cant be ignored even if it means trading a future MVP...becks delivered in spades last year.
alex gonzales gets the gig in 06...9-50-.255 in 111 games but an anemic obp of .299?
the way i see it is you can hide a guy like this in our lineup and he was making rather short money,the man was unreal with loretta in the dp wheel and he looked as if he was going to be here for the long haul...
not theo
enter me and julio down by the school yard lugo and his atrocious 36M/4 deal.
what the fuck was that all about?
I am not a francona guy when it comes to the xs and o's but he does handle his players very well and they seem to like him very much,he has blended in the old and the new with little disruption and manny hasnt lost a grandparent in over 18 months...
but theo on the other hand?
i dont know who is luckier
theo or bob kraft
both cabrerra and gonzales were good fits here and each were cheaper and better than their replacements...
nobody is taking lugo and that albatross of a contract and jed lowrie may play lugo out of a job,cora is an adequate if not decent utility player,it makes sense to dump lugo but again,where and how much will it cost us in the end...

[rician blast]

IMO, the Sox can win with some sort of Cora/Lowrie combo. Is this an ideal SS situation? Perhaps not, but at the very least it's better than the defensive shortcomings shown by Lugo so far...thus, as others have mentioned, it's not imperative they receive a SS in any trade they make.

I wonder...does the Sox FO really think Lowrie is a potential SS of the future? If not, any thoughts on whether they're eyeing the FA market for a SS next year? IIRC, Izturis is under a one year deal with the Cards...personally I'm not enamored with him, but wondering if they'd go that direction..their recent track record not withstanding.

[Mr Crunchy]

i think they can win with a lowrie/cora combo
lowrie seems to wield a better stick and tito has done a good job using cora in the right place at the right time.
how this develops over the next 4 months will be interesting.
coco on the other hand has had a good spring,hes hitting running and fielding his spot very well,if they indeed are showcasing him he's been up to the task but with jd drew banged up again they cant afford to move him at this time.
drew is even money to miss 80 games this year with his various ailments and his reluctantcy to play thru pain....
i want to like jd drew and we need his production from the left side of the plate but he just cant seem to get out of his own way and spends more time in the trainers room than any other athlete in the city of boston...
hes not to be counted on period

[CrespoBlows]

I think getting rid of Cabrera worked out pretty good for the Red Sox.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today...raftorder.html

The CF, and the SS, when Lugo is booted out of town, came from those draft picks.