I see you do not understand baseball enough to get why Rivera Gets people out. he has a Cutter a 4 seamer and a 2 seamer. Plus i know a wicked lot about baseball. I guess you don't get baseball.Originally Posted by Gom;500020;
Please explain to me why Rivera with only these three pitches can he dominate most hitters.
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Forget it, he doesn't understand what a "game plan" is.
The hardest pitch to hit for a RHH from a LHP pitcher with good velocity is inside heat. I never said hitting fastballs was "Holliday's strength", he's making it up. As usual.
The fact is, in a short series, you play to your pitcher's and your park's strengths. It was simply a gameplan, not the holy-grail to get Matt Holliday out like our 36-pitch sample size friend would lead you to believe.
With scouting as advanced as it is now, if Holliday had a definite hole in his swing against inside fastballs, it would have been exploited already.
Repeating your argument and using DV-R doesn't make a senseless argument correct, because, by your argument, the Dodgers are the only team with advanced scouting in MLB.
That is just plain ridiculous.
Ad-nauseum argumentation, anyone?
WAR is good for something.
Lol.
"Hating the Yankees like it's a religion since 94'" RIP Mike.
"It's also a simple and indisputable fact that WAR isn't the be-all end-all in valuations, especially in real life. Wanna know why? Because an ace in run-prevention for 120 innings means more often than not, a sub-standard pitcher covering for the rest of the IP that pitcher fails to provide. You can't see value in a vacuum when a player does not provide full-time production."
Dude...honestly, have you NOT MADE ANYTHING UP?
They threw him more than half the pitches on the outside part of the plate. Most of them outside the zone, true. However, most of the pitches were outside the zone. They pretty much threw the kitchen sink at him, and mostly out of the zone and away.
Enough. You still haven't answered anything. I reposted the question twice. You failed to answer it. Again...for the final time, why pitch to a batters strength? That's all fine and dandy to try to tie him up, but if that happens to be his strength, why would you do it?
The only reason to do it is if it is NOT his strength. That would mean you're an idiot. The other posibility is that they were incredibly lucky and their scouts were idiots.
THIS.
I've backed up what I said with numbers that are ACCURATE. You're only defense is sample size. I saw it is very relevant due to the fact that it was specific in both pitch type and location. We can agree to disagree there, fine.
You're arguing just to argue, and you lost 10 pages ago.
You've brought in incorrect stats [.341], irrelevant stats [interleague stats, which combine both home and away for his career], and just plain made up stats. You've questioned MY numerical analysis, and have been proven false. [Yes, he did have 400 PA with Oakland]. You've selected chose statistics when ignoring the rest that don't fit your argument. [You stated he had a 2.45 wFBc in the NL, and 1.2 total, while ignoring the fact that it was 0.18 in the AL and I stated he didn't hit well in the AL]. You stated that the easiest pitch for LHP to throw to RHH is the inside fastball. I'm not sure of this, but, let's go with it. He had 6 PA against lefties. 2-5 with a HBP. Yet, lefties, righties...they all pitched him the same.
Enough. You've lost this debate and badly. You've destroyed any credibility you had by lying, and making shit up, and questioning my statistical numbers.
You can agree or disagree. The more intellegent posters in this thread have agreed with me, the dumber ones with you.
However, much more importantly than that, you've damaged your own reputation here by lying, making shit up, and then questioning others. I doubt there is anyone here who followed this thread who will EVER take a number quoted by you without double-checking it. That, my friend, is very sad.
It's over. It's been over. Learn from it, and move on.
"Every year, the infielders move a step back because you have lost some speed, and the outfielders move in a step because you have lost some of your power. When they can shake hands, you're finished."
Game 2, Clayton Kershaw. LOL
WAR is good for something.
This post gave me the biggest laugh in my time here on Talksox.
Your whole argument is based on speculation, inaccurate numbers and a 36-pitch sample size.
Your stance that only the Dodger's scouts recognized this absolutely definitive and exploitable weakness in Holliday's swing is asinine, laughable and legitimately laugh-inducing.
The sample size IS the only defense i need, because you haven't stuck to a single argument, but you flip-flop them as you see fit every time things don't go your way. If your initial argument was accurate, why change to 13 different arguments?
It's funny, really.
Keep making more hilarious stuff up, please.
WAR is good for something.
[QUOTE=Dipre;500041;]This post gave me the biggest laugh in my time here on Talksox.
Your whole argument is based on speculation, inaccurate numbers and a 36-pitch sample size.
Your stance that only the Dodger's scouts recognized this absolutely definitive and exploitable weakness in Holliday's swing is asinine, laughable and legitimately laugh-inducing.
The sample size IS the only defense i need, because you haven't stuck to a single argument, but flip-flopping them as you see fit every time things don't go your way.
It's funny, really.
How have I flip-flopped? If anything, your sorry ass has flip-flopped, trying to change the argument. I've showed that he was not shown to be the hitter he was in Colorado, because he saw more pitches in Oakland.
The sample size is, IMO, relevant due to the facts of him not performing well in Oakland, and being specifically attacked in the NLDS. Again, they are idiots, not you.
I'm going to make an assumption here....that if a hitter hits .341 on a pitch, or in a zone, and his average is .313, then that is a strength, isn't it? [It would be in any world but Dipre's]
As for flip-flopping..enjoy this. They are all your words, after all.
Honestly..if you knew how many people IM'd me, and all but one were Red Sox fans, basically laughing at you but not wanting to get involved, you'd probably never post here again.
"Every year, the infielders move a step back because you have lost some speed, and the outfielders move in a step because you have lost some of your power. When they can shake hands, you're finished."
[QUOTE=Gom;500042;]Oh, you mean the response to every one of your argument "change of hearts"?
The hypocrisy is astounding.
About the PM's, i could say the same thing, but the words "stupid" were not the ones used.
Several stronger ones were.
However, unlike me, you would keep posting. I have shame and all.
The use of this argument is hilarious by the way. It's the most pathetic argument defense i have ever heard. Congrats.
WAR is good for something.
I don't disagree with you. I would take Holliday in a heartbeat. I was just pointing out that the question hadn't necessarily been answered up to that point.
I confess to having PM'd GOM, but I only messaged him so he'd think that he was right and that he'd continue the hilarity. I also didn't want him to cower in his stupidity and hang himself, so out of pity I told him that I supported him, and I almost kept a straight face while doing it.
I mentioned that before, perhaps you overlooked it.
Thanks for fessing up. :lol:I confess to having PM'd GOM, but I only messaged him so he'd think that he was right and that he'd continue the hilarity. I also didn't want him to cower in his stupidity and hang himself, so out of pity I told him that I supported him, and I almost kept a straight face while doing it.
WAR is good for something.
I can't believe this argument is still going on.
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Only a cat of a different coat, that's all the truth I know. In a coat of gold or a coat of red, a lion still has claws, And mine are long and sharp, my lord, as long and sharp as yours.
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