I think you misinterpreted what I was saying. I think there's a decent chance they see improvement from the number seven spot and the number nine spot in the lineup, not seven of the spots in the lineup.Originally Posted by Imperial59;517991;
I think you misinterpreted what I was saying. I think there's a decent chance they see improvement from the number seven spot and the number nine spot in the lineup, not seven of the spots in the lineup.Originally Posted by Imperial59;517991;
Adding Damon back to this lineup would make this one of the best lineups ever IMO
Hal sucks
You had Cano in the 7th spot. You think there's a decent chance he improves on last year, even though it was a career best OPS+ for him?Originally Posted by yankees228;517996;
"I don't know what to throw to you." - Joe Mauer
"Neither does the rest of the league." - Dustin Pedroia
I just don't know how the Yankees will overcome such a "massive dropoff" in offense going from Matsui to GrandersonOriginally Posted by jacksonianmarch;518030;
"I don't know what to throw to you." - Joe Mauer
"Neither does the rest of the league." - Dustin Pedroia
Certainly a better chance than them scoring 2,000 runs.Originally Posted by Imperial59;518106;
In all seriousness, yes, I do think there's a decent chance. There are a couple things to consider. Cano has a ton of potential talent, and he's entering his prime, so it's not unrealistic to think that his numbers will improve. Also, if his RISP splits just even out, he will help the Yankees more in 2010 than he did in 2009.
Certainly a better chance than scoring 2,000 runs, I'll give you thatOriginally Posted by yankees228;518113;
Cano will be 27 next year, which is the typical prime of a player's career. But most players don't put up back-to-back career years. Statistically, whenever someone has a career year, they're a pretty safe bet for regression. Cano had a .326 BABIP last year as well. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't see any statistical reason to expect improvement next year.
As for his RISP splits evening out, it's probably more likely that his .376/.407/.609 line without runners on base evens out, considering that's a much larger outlier from his career averages. I don't buy the "their splits will even out" arguments about Cano and Swisher. A full season is the greatest sample size possible and it's not like these guys were hitting in an extreme pitcher's park. Maybe the splits won't be so dramatic, or they'll reverse. But just because a guy hit really badly with RISP or at home, doesn't mean their overall batting performance is going to improve the next year.
"I don't know what to throw to you." - Joe Mauer
"Neither does the rest of the league." - Dustin Pedroia
It would simply be Cano's natural progression as a hitter. If he learns to be more patience, I believe his overall numbers (especially his power numbers) can improve. From a statistical, I would agree, there isn't reason to expect an improvement.Originally Posted by Imperial59;518114;
As for splits evening out I think his fantastic numbers without runners on base will regress, while his awful numbers with RISP will improve (especially if he develops that patience I alluded to).
In Swisher's case, for all the reasons Dipre mentioned on the first page, I believe his splits will normalize. However, I admitted that we'll likely see an overall regression from Swisher offensively.
There's no prototype for a natural progression for a hitter. Typically, they go up and down but their average effectiveness improves from ages 27-33. Can is coming off a career year though so the two probably average out. And Cano also broke into the majors earlier than most position players so I don't think added experience is as much as a factor as it is for most player.Originally Posted by yankees228;518115;
"I don't know what to throw to you." - Joe Mauer
"Neither does the rest of the league." - Dustin Pedroia
I realize that him improving due to natural progression isn't a statistically supported argument, and it's based in nothing more than theory.Originally Posted by Imperial59;518116;
When I look at Cano, I see an extremely talented hitter, who is already effective, yet still struggles at various important things. With an increased work ethic and some maturity (both of which I'm just hoping for), his patience might increase, possibly making him into an even more effective hitter. We'll see how it goes.
Also, as I noted in the initial post, with Cano, anything is possible (meaning he could also regress).
Yeah, but couldn't the same thing be said about any young, talented player? Ellsbury had a .389 OBP in the minors which he's never lived up to in the majors. He's even younger than Cano and he isn't coming off a career year. Wouldn't be a better bet to improve?Originally Posted by yankees228;518117;
Pedroia will be nearing his prime years and he's coming off a down year by his standards, Would you say that he's a likely candidate to improve offensively?
I try to keep it objective. If I wouldn't say one thing about a Red Sox player (notice I've never said that Ellsbury or Pedroia have a good chance of improving) then I wouldn't say it about a similar Yankees player like Cano. What's fair is fair.
"I don't know what to throw to you." - Joe Mauer
"Neither does the rest of the league." - Dustin Pedroia
Maybe I overstated the possibility when I said, "decent chance". I'll go back to what I said in my initial post, that his production should be relatively similar, but if he begins to hit with RISP, he might be elevated to the fifth spot in the lineup.Originally Posted by Imperial59;518119;
Cano has unrealized potential. He is definitely capable of having a better season, especially now that he's entering his prime.
And who are you, the proud lord said, that I must bow so low?
Only a cat of a different coat, that's all the truth I know. In a coat of gold or a coat of red, a lion still has claws, And mine are long and sharp, my lord, as long and sharp as yours.
The problem is that he's also capable of getting distracted by nearby butterflies and sucking ass. You never know what to expect of him. Million-dollar body, ten-cent head.Originally Posted by Keeper;518164;
WAR is good for something.