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    Re: Projected Portland OF

    Quote Originally Posted by User Name?;730901;
    Why do you continue to tout Nava as a legitimate MLB option? He's not good enough.
    Because I think there's some issues people aren't separating properly. No one's saying Nava's good enough to beat out Ellsbury or a healthy Crawford to be a starting outfielder, but he has some skills I find useful in backups. He's probably a better platoon hitter than McDonald for example.
    If history tells us anything, the path to redeption for any bad baseball team is marked with a deep rotation of durable starters, a world class defense in both infield and outfield, a lineup that can generate runs in more than one way, a bullpen that won't steal defeat from the jaws of victory, and a top end catcher to hold the whole package together. These are the conditions by which victory is achieved, anything that does not accomplish these objectives is a waste of resources.

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    Re: Projected Portland OF

    Quote Originally Posted by Emmz;730938;
    Even though his OPS+ went down almost 20 pts from 2010. He's good now, but he'll be done by his early 30s or sooner unless he learns how to hit. He's not going to keep getting by on walks.
    In what sense can Hazelbaker not hit? Hazelbaker hasn't slugged less than .420 in the last 2 years despite advancing three levels in that time. His OBP is more than acceptable despite a drop in average, and the speed hasn't gone anywhere. He's not Torii Hunter, but he's not Willy Taveras either.

    He does need to cut down on the strikeouts and hit for a higher average, but "needs to learn to hit" isn't really a fair way of putting it. If anything, the bat's a fair bit ahead of the defense with this guy.

    Also if he's declining in his early 30's it's probably because you've gotten 4-5 good years out of him. That's really not a bad ROI.
    If history tells us anything, the path to redeption for any bad baseball team is marked with a deep rotation of durable starters, a world class defense in both infield and outfield, a lineup that can generate runs in more than one way, a bullpen that won't steal defeat from the jaws of victory, and a top end catcher to hold the whole package together. These are the conditions by which victory is achieved, anything that does not accomplish these objectives is a waste of resources.

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    Re: Projected Portland OF

    Quote Originally Posted by Dojji;730964;
    In what sense can Hazelbaker not hit? Hazelbaker hasn't slugged less than .420 in the last 2 years despite advancing three levels in that time. His OBP is more than acceptable despite a drop in average, and the speed hasn't gone anywhere. He's not Torii Hunter, but he's not Willy Taveras either.

    He does need to cut down on the strikeouts and hit for a higher average, but "needs to learn to hit" isn't really a fair way of putting it. If anything, the bat's a fair bit ahead of the defense with this guy.

    Also if he's declining in his early 30's it's probably because you've gotten 4-5 good years out of him. That's really not a bad ROI.
    This was about the Brett Gardner comparison.

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    Oh OK. Sorry.
    If history tells us anything, the path to redeption for any bad baseball team is marked with a deep rotation of durable starters, a world class defense in both infield and outfield, a lineup that can generate runs in more than one way, a bullpen that won't steal defeat from the jaws of victory, and a top end catcher to hold the whole package together. These are the conditions by which victory is achieved, anything that does not accomplish these objectives is a waste of resources.

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    Re: Projected Portland OF

    Quote Originally Posted by Dojji;730963;
    Because I think there's some issues people aren't separating properly. No one's saying Nava's good enough to beat out Ellsbury or a healthy Crawford to be a starting outfielder, but he has some skills I find useful in backups. He's probably a better platoon hitter than McDonald for example.
    What skills? He actually regressed last year in AAA, and McDonald is not a valid comparison, because he can actually run and play D.
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    Nava is a cup of coffee player and AAAA fodder. Cue the Tug Hulett Dojji priapism
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