Is the actual rotation the worst in the last 10 Y?

[iortiz]

Of course there's still time but all the signs say that we are going to go like this.

If so AND "on paper", IMO this could be the worst rotation in the last 10 Y with one of the highest payrolls in the majors.

What do u think?

[a700hitter]

We have a pair of 4's a pair of 5's and a 3. That is not going to scare anyone. Hitters will be licking their chops. The offense is going to have to bludgeon opposing teams to keep us in games. If the starters stay injury free and take all of their starts, the team could be competitive. If we get some injuries (i.e., Buch misses a lot of time), we could have a very rough road.

[Palodios]

No.

That title goes to 2011, and I seriously doubt it will even be close. You guys complain about all the #4s and 5s... that year half the rotation was #8s and 9s.

[a700hitter]

No.

That title goes to 2011, and I seriously doubt it will even be close.

At the end of the 2011 season, they couldn't find anyone to give us a good start. I thought iortiz was asking whether this was the worst staff going into a season. 2011 had a ton of injuries. That staff had Josh Beckett who put up 2.89 ERA and they had Lester too. They also had John Lackey. I'm not seeing that kind of quality going into 2015.

[mvp 78]

The 2006 rotation is the worst since before Pedro showed up.

[iortiz]

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At the end of the 2011 season, they couldn't find anyone to give us a good start. I thought iortiz was asking whether this was the worst staff going into a season. 2011 had a ton of injuries. That staff had Josh Beckett who put up 2.89 ERA and they had Lester too. They also had John Lackey. I'm not seeing that kind of quality going into 2015.

Exactly!

Even 2006 rotation as MVP says had more "potential"

[iortiz]

Even 2013 rotation had a lot question marks too considering how they ended up 2012, but this version is way far the worst IMO.

[mvp 78]

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Exactly!

Even 2006 rotation as MVP says had more "potential"

Schilling was done. Beckett needed to learn to pitch in the AL. Tim Wakefield, David Wells and a post head injury Clement rounded out that shit show. This rotation is better today.

The rest of this exercise is silly as we don't know if this is the final rotation. Some people on here have the clairvoyance to know exactly how this will all shake out. Kuddos to them I guess.

[iortiz]

Schilling was done. Beckett needed to learn to pitch in the AL. Tim Wakefield, David Wells and a post head injury Clement rounded out that shit show. This rotation is better today.

The rest of this exercise is silly as we don't know if this is the final rotation. Some people on here have the clairvoyance to know exactly how this will all shake out. Kuddos to them I guess.

Haha come on man! Beckett had more potential than anyone here. Wakefield too.

Hopefully you are right and we do not end up like this.

[Palodios]

At the end of the 2011 season, they couldn't find anyone to give us a good start. I thought iortiz was asking whether this was the worst staff going into a season. 2011 had a ton of injuries. That staff had Josh Beckett who put up 2.89 ERA and they had Lester too. They also had John Lackey. I'm not seeing that kind of quality going into 2015.

The whole point of this topic is that what is "on paper" isn't as good as what the result will be.

The argument I keep seeing is that 3's and 4's are not going to win a championship. in 2011, the Red Sox's rotation was filled with guys that would be #8/9/10 on the depth of championship teams. Bedard averaged 3 IP per start. Weiland had a 7.66 ERA, Miller 5.54, Lackey 6.44, Wakefield 5.12. The #3-5 starters could be pulled in the 3rd with 6-8 runs on any given night. As much as you dislike the current rotation, this group is not even remotely that terrible.

[iortiz]

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The whole point of this topic is that what is "on paper" isn't as good as what the result will be.

The argument I keep seeing is that 3's and 4's are not going to win a championship. in 2011, the Red Sox's rotation was filled with guys that would be #8/9/10 on the depth of championship teams. Bedard averaged 3 IP per start. Weiland had a 7.66 ERA, Miller 5.54, Lackey 6.44, Wakefield 5.12. The #3-5 starters could be pulled in the 3rd with 6-8 runs on any given night. As much as you dislike the current rotation, this group is not even remotely that terrible.

No one in this world at the beginning of 2011 thought that the 2011 rotation would collapse as they did. Great part of that year we were the best team in the majors.

On the other hand no matter how bad I see this rotation, I do not see that epic failure since I do not have high hopes in the first place as I did in 2011.

I think that the expectations are very very low at our rotation this year.

[iortiz]

Also I have to say that some of us in August, on the other hand, predicted that collapse.

[Bellhorn04]

The 2012 starters had the worst ERA in franchise history, at 5.19.

[iortiz]

The 2012 starters had the worst ERA in franchise history, at 5.19.

In all fairness, did 2012 rotation have this expectations at the beginning of that year?

[mvp 78]

Haha come on man! Beckett had more potential than anyone here. Wakefield too.

Hopefully you are right and we do not end up like this.

Buchholz can pitch like a #1 if you're into that potential gimmick.