Do you think it was a good idea for the Red Sox to extend Wade Miley for 3 years?

[a700hitter]

Just a snap shot opinion poll.

[a700hitter]

I think everyone knows where - stand on the issue. Mediocre bottom of the rotation guys are plentiful -- a dime a dozen. THere is no need to commit long term to the guy.

[User Name]

Reactionary much?

[Dojji]

We need stability in our rotation right now. If we got rid of everyone who was expendable we'de have nobody left. Just because someone is repeacable does not mean they should always be replaced at the first opportunity. There's a reason guys like Jeremy Guthrie get paid, and it's because in the absence of real quality, stability still matters

 

There's something to be said for keeping a consistent roster for a few years while the young talent trickles up. There's little to be said for having to constantly scramble to fill 3-4 empty rotation spots every year and getting backed into bad contract after bad contract at the free agency table or having to fill your last 2 rotation spots with AAAA scrubs and replacement level talent.

Edited April 28, 2015 by Dojji

[a700hitter]

We need stability in our rotation right now. If we got rid of everyone who was expendable we'de have nobody left. Just because someone is repeacable does not mean they should always be replaced at the first opportunity. There's a reason guys like Jeremy Guthrie get paid, and it's because in the absence of real quality, stability still matters

 

There's something to be said for keeping a consistent roster for a few years while the young talent trickles up. There's little to be said for having to constantly scramble to fill 3-4 empty rotation spots every year and getting backed into bad contract after bad contract at the free agency table or having to fill your last 2 rotation spots with AAAA scrubs and replacement level talent.

True. If the guy can show consistency, that would be a good thing to have, but I would have waited a month or 2 to see how he adjusted to the AL.

[Dojji]

I'll be honest, I'd rather have a guy who's very mediocre have a rotation spot than have to go through the neverending AAAA scrub cycle because no starter worth the money to replace him wanted to meet our price. We've been there before and I don't want to go back.

[iortiz]

True. If the guy can show consistency, that would be a good thing to have, but I would have waited a month or 2 to see how he adjusted to the AL.

 

Same goes to Porcello. I do not see anybody throwing 80 M at the end of the season for him.

[BSN07]

Was he extended or did they just buy out his arb years? That makes a difference imo.

 

I haven't liked what I've seen from him at all so far, but it's far too soon to write him off.

 

The whole rotation needs consistency. Kelly and Buchholz are either great or cannon fodder. Porcello has had some really good stretches, followed shortly by innings he seems to think he's throwing BP. Masterson hasn't done anything noteworthy. But the team is hovering above .500 with the rest of the division so there is time to let these guys try to and work it out and get used to their surroundings.

[redsoxrules]

Same goes to Porcello. I do not see anybody throwing 80 M at the end of the season for him.

 

Yeah , that blew my mind. 20M a year is ace type money and Porcello is not an ace or close to one.

[Northern Star]

Although Miley eats 200 IP, his WHIP and ERA went up three years straight at the end of his time in AZ. Since he was not nearing FA, I see no reason to buy out his years before you see him pitch a year in the AL.

[Northern Star]

Also I've seen him described as a tempo pitcher. Get him out of the tempo and oh brother.

[Palodios]

You weren't going to find another pitcher who throws 200ip at a 3.90 ERA under 30 years old for a good cost.

 

The move was excellent at the time, Miley just s*** the bed here. Worst case scenario, that contract is still moveable.

[User Name]

It's like some of you don't actually watch baseball. It's been a while since 20 million stopped being "ace money". In the current landscape, 1A money is a hell of a lot closer to 30 million.

 

I also can't help but be annoyed by how inconsistent iortiz' thought process is. Actually, scratch that. He's very consistent at being a f***ing whiner. If Porcello has a good platform year, his price would have soared to 110/6 easy, a price the Red Sox weren't going to match. Then, if they let him go, he would have been bitching about them letting him walk through FA. You're always whining about them spending money. When they do, you complain. Shut the hell up and let Porcello get through at least a couple of months here, for the love of the Lord.

 

Same goes for the whining about Miley. Miley's K/9 and GB% were excellent last year, but he's been playing for s***** defenses the past couple of years. There's bound to be an adjustment period for most of these guys switching teams and everything. Give it a f***ing month at least, Jesus Christ.

[User Name]

You weren't going to find another pitcher who throws 200ip at a 3.90 ERA under 30 years old for a good cost.

 

The move was excellent at the time, Miley just s*** the bed here. Worst case scenario, that contract is still moveable.

 

He hasn't even started 10 games.

[Dojji]

Yeah I was ginna say, 4 starts? I've seen pitchers have 4 starts that bad in April and go on to have very solid years.

[iortiz]

It's like some of you don't actually watch baseball. It's been a while since 20 million stopped being "ace money". In the current landscape, 1A money is a hell of a lot closer to 30 million.

 

I also can't help but be annoyed by how inconsistent iortiz' thought process is. Actually, scratch that. He's very consistent at being a f***ing whiner. If Porcello has a good platform year, his price would have soared to 110/6 easy, a price the Red Sox weren't going to match. Then, if they let him go, he would have been bitching about them letting him walk through FA. You're always whining about them spending money. When they do, you complain. Shut the hell up and let Porcello get through at least a couple of months here, for the love of the Lord.

 

Same goes for the whining about Miley. Miley's K/9 and GB% were excellent last year, but he's been playing for s***** defenses the past couple of years. There's bound to be an adjustment period for most of these guys switching teams and everything. Give it a f***ing month at least, Jesus Christ.

 

haha whata bulk of ********. Porcello is a bust, but lets cut the s*** up, too much talk... I bet you 200 USD that he ends up posting an ERA over 4.0. You said that he is going to post 3.5? so it will be easy money for you... and he has not even started 10 games, so you shouldn't be worried... Let's see if you put your mouth where the money is or maybe you are simply un hocicón.

Edited April 28, 2015 by iortiz

[iortiz]

Yeah , that blew my mind. 20M a year is ace type money and Porcello is not an ace or close to one.

 

Wouldn't be more prudent wait at least a dozen of starts to consider this kind of contract? Also, how many No 3-4 are making this money?

[Bellhorn04]

True. If the guy can show consistency, that would be a good thing to have, but I would have waited a month or 2 to see how he adjusted to the AL.

 

That's understandable. But there can be risk involved in that as well. If Miley gets off to a great start the price goes up and maybe he and his agent say 'We'll talk after the season.'

 

I don't think the Sox would have done this unless they thought it could save them a lot of money.

[iortiz]

That's understandable. But there can be risk involved in that as well. If Miley gets off to a great start the price goes up and maybe he and his agent say 'We'll talk after the season.'

 

I don't think the Sox would have done this unless they thought it could save them a lot of money.

 

... but IMO there were more ?s to be solved than certainty, reason why I think It could be a better idea wait a little bit.

 

Miley and Porcello are a mistake already looking forward. Sure it is still early and time will tell, but I see very little chances that this ends up well.

[Bellhorn04]

In terms of the total dollars, the Miley contract does not represent a very large risk for a team with this much money.

[User Name]

In terms of the total dollars, the Miley contract does not represent a very large risk for a team with this much money.

 

And neither does Porcello's, especially considering their obligations after this year.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Porcello is a bust...he has not even started 10 games

 

 

Do you see the conflict between these two statements?

[iortiz]

Do you see the conflict between these two statements?

 

Conflict? not at all. The first one is my opinion and the second is a fact.

[iortiz]

And neither does Porcello's, especially considering their obligations after this year.

 

I would have used that money and probably more to bring a true No 2 or no 1, Shields, for example.

 

If he shits the bed (Pretty likely) this contract will be a disaster.

 

Are you going to take the bet or not?

[Youk Of The Nation]

Conflict? not at all. The first one is my opinion and the second is a fact.

 

You're declaring a guy a bust when the first month of the season isn't even complete.

[iortiz]

I extend this bet for those who do not like ERA. Let's put it in terms of fWAR. I'm willing to bet 100 USD if he posts a fWAR under 2.7 which is what he is expected to post and worth those 20 M, right?, what about that? anyone?

[iortiz]

You're declaring a guy a bust when the first month of the season isn't even complete.

 

Nope, I'm declaring that he is a bust since what he did aside last year. As I said, last year was nothing but a fluke year.

 

Thanks to Porcello I have made a lot of money thus far betting against him, he has been easy money, and when He was announced to come to Boston that pissed me off a lot.

[Palodios]

He hasn't even started 10 games.

 

Saying Miley has s*** the bed is different than saying that Miley's contract is a bust.

Edited April 28, 2015 by Palodios

[a700hitter]

Saying Miley has s*** the bed is different than saying that Miley's contract is a bust.

How did you vote?

[Northern Star]

In terms of the total dollars, the Miley contract does not represent a very large risk for a team with this much money.

 

That's the only upside so far.