Hernanez vs Pablo

[a700hitter]

I have stated what I believe are Ben's bad moves many, many times. And yet, every time I say that Ben was not responsible for the Pablo signing, I get this comment from you.

And you will continue to get this comment. If someone else in the organization suggested the signing an Ben thought it was a bad move, it was his job as the GM to convince them why it was a bad move. Either way, the fact that Pablo was signed is on Ben either. Because it was his idea or he was ineffective in doing his job of controlling personnel moves.

[Spudboy]

I have stated what I believe are Ben's bad moves many, many times. And yet, every time I say that Ben was not responsible for the Pablo signing, I get this comment from you.

Well Ted is consistent at least! That has to count for something in such a random world!

[Kimmi]

And you will continue to get this comment. If someone else in the organization suggested the signing an Ben thought it was a bad move, it was his job as the GM to convince them why it was a bad move. Either way, the fact that Pablo was signed is on Ben either. Because it was his idea or he was ineffective in doing his job of controlling personnel moves.

I have no problem with you disagreeing with my opinion that Ben is not at fault for the Pablo move, and supporting your opinion with your own argument, as you did in this post.

The snarky and incorrect comment, complete with an eye roll, in your previous post serves no purpose.

[a700hitter]

Well Ted is consistent at least! That has to count for something in such a random world!

I have repeatable skills, and I am clutch.

[Spudboy]

I have repeatable skills, and I am clutch.

Maybe even clutch!

[a700hitter]

I have no problem with you disagreeing with my opinion that Ben is not at fault for the Pablo move, and supporting your opinion with your own argument, as you did in this post.

The snarky and incorrect comment, complete with an eye roll, in your previous post serves no purpose.

Lighten up. It is just fun.

[Kimmi]

And you will continue to get this comment. If someone else in the organization suggested the signing an Ben thought it was a bad move, it was his job as the GM to convince them why it was a bad move. Either way, the fact that Pablo was signed is on Ben either. Because it was his idea or he was ineffective in doing his job of controlling personnel moves.

As to your argument, Ben can try to convince ownership all he wants about whether a move is bad or not. Ultimately, ownership will do what they want. Even the best GM would not be able to 'control' personnel moves if ownership has their minds set on it.

[a700hitter]

As to your argument, Ben can try to convince ownership all he wants about whether a move is bad or not. Ultimately, ownership will do what they want. Even the best GM would not be able to 'control' personnel moves if ownership has their minds set on it.

You build excuse upon excuse for Ben. First of all, you have no reliable evidence that Pablo wasn't Ben's idea except that you think it wasn't his type of deal. Then when I point out that he would be an ineffective GM for not being able to convince ownership that it was a bad deal, you suggest that he was bullied into it. Again, you have no knowledge or evidence regarding the dynamics of his relationship with ownership. Also, if what you say is true, why would he get any credit for the good moves. Weren't those just as likely dictated by upper management?

[cp176]

Old school and traditional here - i like a little more power coming out of my third baseman but their is no doubt in my mind but what Hernandez can get it done in the field. When Eck was talking about it the other night, i was listening. Sandoval will get another shot I'm sure but for how long that is the question. I don't think that it will be the $ that drive the decision. They want the best players on the field! lol

[Fisk]

Old school and traditional here - i like a little more power coming out of my third baseman but their is no doubt in my mind but what Hernandez can get it done in the field. When Eck was talking about it the other night, i was listening. Sandoval will get another shot I'm sure but for how long that is the question. I don't think that it will be the $ that drive the decision. They want the best players on the field! lol

They proved it last year that money was not the driving force, When they played Holt over Castillo and Shaw over Sandavol to start the season.

[notin]

I have no problem with you disagreeing with my opinion that Ben is not at fault for the Pablo move, and supporting your opinion with your own argument, as you did in this post.

The snarky and incorrect comment, complete with an eye roll, in your previous post serves no purpose.

I blame Cherington for Sandoval, as well as Castillo. But really, like the Reset Button Trade (which i also credit Cherington for), we do find out Henry and Co. were calling a lot of shots then. Crawford being another. But it's just so much easier to credit/blame the GM for his tenure.

Overall I still think Cherington did a good job despite my immediate dislike of the Sandoval signing..

[mvp 78]

Henry said that he adamantly didn't want Crawford.

[moonslav59]

Henry said that he adamantly didn't want Crawford.

I read that, but I also think it was Henry who gave Lucchino more power than Ben (and too much with Theo).

[cp176]

I blame Cherington for Sandoval, as well as Castillo. But really, like the Reset Button Trade (which i also credit Cherington for), we do find out Henry and Co. were calling a lot of shots then. Crawford being another. But it's just so much easier to credit/blame the GM for his tenure.

Overall I still think Cherington did a good job despite my immediate dislike of the Sandoval signing..

I'm just always amazed that people still blame anybody for any of the crap signings. i am much more concerned with what we do with what we have. I'm hoping that Bogaerts feels the same way. Papi is gone- end of story.

[cp176]

I'm also going to add that some of you think that Hernandez is barely average in the field. Based on what precisely? He looks better than just average to me over there.