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  1. #901
    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    I understand the theory. I'm not one to argue with studies that show otherwise, but I tend to think line-ups matter more that the studies show they do. That being said, even if they don't matter much, a manager should do everything he can to eek out every small percentage advantage he can, and putting players in their best slots is one of the few tangible differences a manger can make.

    Maybe I do obsess over the line-ups too much, but JF's line-ups bug me more than any other manager in recent memory.
    I think that all the unnecessary hand wringing stems from people putting more weight/importance on line ups than they should. That said, I agree that a manager should do whatever he can to eek out every advantage. Sometimes, that may mean placing a batter in a spot he feels more comfortable in than in a spot that he seems statistically suited for.

    As far as obsessing over line ups too much, obsess away. That's why we're here.

  2. #902
    Quote Originally Posted by oldtimer View Post
    We all know Bogey is not going well now so JF needs to treat him accordingly. Move him down or rest him. When right , Bogey can help this team, in the meanwhile JF needs to consider alternatives.
    He has been hitting lower in the order for sometimes now. He hasn't hit a lick either (.195 since Mid July). JBJ is around that too in the same time span. Benni however is hot, and Nunez and Devers are providing the lineup with results while the aforementioned struggles.

  3. #903
    Farrell's glaring weakness as a manager is his philosophy of base running. He thinks of it as putting pressure on the defense. I see it as giving too many outs away.

  4. #904
    Quote Originally Posted by devildavid View Post
    Farrell's glaring weakness as a manager is his philosophy of base running. He thinks of it as putting pressure on the defense. I see it as giving too many outs away.
    Once you said "thinks", you gave him too much credit.
    The King of TalkSox has Spoken.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dojji View Post
    [T]he conclusion to be drawn is that there is no practical value in seeking this ideal lineup, and in that case any way in which it might be meaningfully termed "best" is irrelevant, academic at best, pedantic at worst
    Quote Originally Posted by a700hitter View Post
    Unlike hot streaks and clutch, the “Cliff” is a myth. It can’t be defined, and it’s future existence cannot be proved.

  5. #905
    Looks like Devers is learning to run bases from Hanley and Company.

  6. #906
    Quote Originally Posted by Kimmi View Post
    I think that all the unnecessary hand wringing stems from people putting more weight/importance on line ups than they should. That said, I agree that a manager should do whatever he can to eek out every advantage. Sometimes, that may mean placing a batter in a spot he feels more comfortable in than in a spot that he seems statistically suited for.

    As far as obsessing over line ups too much, obsess away. That's why we're here.
    Okay, I'll take you up on the offer and let some of my OCD shine...

    I don't think batting Bogey 3rd and Moreland 4th was to appease their comfort zones. I know Moreland did not have experience in those slots prior to this season. The "comfort" argument doesn't hold any water with Moreland. The other one, JBJ, has been jerked around batting slots more than anyone, so I doubt he feels comfortable in any slot more than another due to experience. Bogey did have experience batting 3rd before this year, and it has been his best slot over his career, but even with a higher than norm SLG batting 3rd, .457 is not what you want from your 3-6 slot hitters.

    Here are the numbers:

    Moreland Career
    Slot PA OPS
    6th 745 .709 (676 PA before this year)
    7th 729 .709 (694 before this year)
    5th 576 .770 (447 before this year)
    8th 413 .905 (402 before this year)
    9th 347 .774
    4th 265 .769 (88 before this year)
    3rd 57 .490
    2nd 49 .582

    2017
    Slot PA OPS
    4th 177 .720
    5th 129 .713
    6th 69 .818
    7th 35 .669
    8th 12 1.300

    Now, I am not assuming every batter would have done better than Moreland in the 4 slot. He did well for us out of the gate, and to end up with a .720 and .713 OPS from the 4 and 5 slots means he must have slumped horribly for quite some time to offset that great start. Counting Devers and Nunez, we currently have 9 players with a season OPS above those two numbers.


    Bogaerts also started out hot. To me, he should have started in the 1 or 2 slot due to his high OBP and low SLG. In a tiny sample size (39 PAs) Bogey has an .839 OPS batting lead-off. (.819 up 3rd) I understand his numbers batting 3rd aren’t bad at all, but his OPS is driven by his OBP NOT his SLG.

    JBJ has bounced around the line-up. He's not been given a chance to get comfortable anywhere. Here's a look at our players by batting slots:

    2015-2017
    OPS PA Player

    1st
    .849 1459 Betts (345 OBP)
    .839 39 Bogey (.410 OBP)
    .813 403 Pedey (.372 OBP)
    .749 121 Holt (.347 OBP)
    Looks clear to me, Betts should not lead off, when we have better OBP players available, and both have worse power than Betts.)

    2nd
    .841 71 Betts
    .792 980 Pedey
    .752 240 Beni
    .723 281 Holt
    .698 271 Bogey

    3rd
    .988 91 Pedey
    .819 1114 Bogey
    .839 432 Papi
    .845 41 Beni
    .799 170 Betts
    .754 59 HRam

    4th
    1.049 786 PAPi
    .892 163 Betts (He should bat 2nd or 4thf or obvious reasons)
    .784 545 HRam
    .722 80 Beni
    .720 177 Moreland
    .649 68 T Shaw

    5th
    .829 773 HRam (looks like his best slot)
    .720 55 Beni
    .706 62 Bogey
    .713 129 Moreland
    .660 75 Young
    .566 164 JBJ (Never gets a chance above the 5 s lot)

    6th
    1.143 39 Beni
    .868 132 JBJ
    .818 69 Moreland
    .740 65 Holt
    .758 51 HRam
    .694 131 Bogey
    .594 103 Young
    .581 55 Leon

    7th
    .809 155 Young
    .797 234 JBJ
    .748 89 Swihart
    .704 264 Holt
    .669 35 Moreland
    .661 84 Leon
    .570 71 Bogey
    .426 48 Vaz

    8th
    1.096 57 Young
    .821 141 JBJ
    .762 161 Swihart
    .776 125 Bogey
    .745 295 Leon
    .723 65 Holt
    .669 223 Vaz

    9th
    .933 92 Beni
    .895 371 JBJ
    .712 181 Leon
    .706 90 Hernandez
    .647 125 Swihart
    .648 95 Holt


    Here are out top OPS players from 2015-2017 (3500+ Pas) that are still on the team:

    .846 Betts
    .809 JBJ (Our 2nd best hitter never hits higher than 5th!)
    .807 Pedey
    .802 Young
    .802 Beni
    .799 HRam
    .776 Bogey
    .745 Moreland (This is the guy we bat 4th and 5th!)
    .714 Swihart
    .706 Leon
    .649 Vaz

    As streaky as JBJ has been, he’s still got a better 2017 OPS than Moreland & Bogey, yet he never bats 1-4, even when hot.

    2017 OPS
    .807 Beni (Just passed Betts today!)
    .805 Betts
    .784 Pedey
    .780 HRam
    .756 JBJ
    .751 Young
    .749 Moreland
    .730 Bogey

    Okay there, I got my OCD vent out of the way for the day.

  7. #907
    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    Looks like Devers is learning to run bases from Hanley and Company.
    For some reason, the game didn't tape for me today. I missed seeing a Sox game for the first time in years.

    Can anyone fill me in on how many mental blunders we made today?

  8. #908
    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    For some reason, the game didn't tape for me today. I missed seeing a Sox game for the first time in years.

    Can anyone fill me in on how many mental blunders we made today?
    Unless you had good reason to miss the game, you will get no help from me.
    The King of TalkSox has Spoken.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dojji View Post
    [T]he conclusion to be drawn is that there is no practical value in seeking this ideal lineup, and in that case any way in which it might be meaningfully termed "best" is irrelevant, academic at best, pedantic at worst
    Quote Originally Posted by a700hitter View Post
    Unlike hot streaks and clutch, the “Cliff” is a myth. It can’t be defined, and it’s future existence cannot be proved.

  9. #909
    Quote Originally Posted by a700hitter View Post
    Unless you had good reason to miss the game, you will get no help from me.
    I rarely watch the games in real time. Too many commercials.


  10. #910
    Quote Originally Posted by a700hitter View Post
    Once you said "thinks", you gave him too much credit.
    lulz
    "Hating the Yankees like it's a religion since 94'" RIP Mike.


    "It's also a simple and indisputable fact that WAR isn't the be-all end-all in valuations, especially in real life. Wanna know why? Because an ace in run-prevention for 120 innings means more often than not, a sub-standard pitcher covering for the rest of the IP that pitcher fails to provide. You can't see value in a vacuum when a player does not provide full-time production."

  11. #911
    The abominable Farrell now has the Sox 5 1/2 ahead of the Yankees for the AL East and 5 games back of Houston for the best record in the AL. My guess--and I'm no expert here--is that he just might have more than two brain cells.

    What I truly don't get is attcking a manager on a win streak when winning is normally the only important criterion for MLB managers. You win enough, you stay. You lose enough, you go.

    Tonight first Betts and then Barnes ruined another great start by Sale, but the critics persist in saying it was really Farrell's fault. Seriously?

    Reed and Kelly really stunk Friday, but it wasn't their fault. It was Farrell's, and that's almost a unanimous opinion on talksox.
    Last edited by Maxbialystock; 08-13-2017 at 11:24 PM.

  12. #912
    Winning is the ultimate metric for managers. As long as Farrell wins, he stays, but sorry Max, he has two brain cells. Luckily for him there are other managers in MLB who operate with limited brain waves, and some of them win too. In 2015, a couple of Dunce Deluxes faced off in the World Series == Ned Yost and Terry Collins. Collins was over-matched in that battle of the witless.
    The King of TalkSox has Spoken.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dojji View Post
    [T]he conclusion to be drawn is that there is no practical value in seeking this ideal lineup, and in that case any way in which it might be meaningfully termed "best" is irrelevant, academic at best, pedantic at worst
    Quote Originally Posted by a700hitter View Post
    Unlike hot streaks and clutch, the “Cliff” is a myth. It can’t be defined, and it’s future existence cannot be proved.

  13. #913
    Quote Originally Posted by Maxbialystock View Post
    The abominable Farrell now has the Sox 5 1/2 ahead of the Yankees for the AL East and 5 games back of Houston for the best record in the AL. My guess--and I'm no expert here--is that he just might have more than two brain cells.

    What I truly don't get is attcking a manager on a win streak when winning is normally the only important criterion for MLB managers. You win enough, you stay. You lose enough, you go.

    Tonight first Betts and then Barnes ruined another great start by Sale, but the critics persist in saying it was really Farrell's fault. Seriously?

    Reed and Kelly really stunk Friday, but it wasn't their fault. It was Farrell's, and that's almost a unanimous opinion on talksox.
    Winning doesn't change the fact that JF is a complete idiot.

    700 is too kind in crediting him with 2 whole brain cells.

    Just imagine if Jacoby hit an HR after JF blundered the pitching substitution he wanted.

  14. #914
    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Winning doesn't change the fact that JF is a complete idiot.

    700 is too kind in crediting him with 2 whole brain cells.

    Just imagine if Jacoby hit an HR after JF blundered the pitching substitution he wanted.

    Is Girardi also an idiot? He sure mismanaged Chapman tonight.

  15. #915
    Quote Originally Posted by Maxbialystock View Post
    Is Girardi also an idiot? He sure mismanaged Chapman tonight.
    Funny you should mention that, because Girardi came under harsh criticism for letting Chapman fly without a net on Friday night when he was clearly imploding and he had 2 other closer quality guys in the pen in Robertson and Betances. Girardi is also a massive dope. Many Yankee fans despise the guy. I can't tell you how many times I have seen him take out starting pitchers who are cruising with pitch counts in the 80's after 5 innings and a 4 run lead because his binders tell him that the guy sucks the 3rd time through the batting order. And generally the guy does suck the 3rd time through the order because his pitch count was in the upper 90's when he started the inning. On a night when the guy was cruising and his pitch count was 80, he might have 3 or 4 or 5 more outs in him. Girardi would regularly take the guy out before any sign of trouble with the best case scenario being that he was burning up his pen. On many of those night the middle relief guys lost the game. Yes, I come down on the side of Girardi being a dope -- maybe only a moron or imbecile and not quite an idiot.
    The King of TalkSox has Spoken.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dojji View Post
    [T]he conclusion to be drawn is that there is no practical value in seeking this ideal lineup, and in that case any way in which it might be meaningfully termed "best" is irrelevant, academic at best, pedantic at worst
    Quote Originally Posted by a700hitter View Post
    Unlike hot streaks and clutch, the “Cliff” is a myth. It can’t be defined, and it’s future existence cannot be proved.

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