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    Quote Originally Posted by SoxHop View Post
    No upgrades needed. I want to see what Thornburg can do........

    DD should be looking for a big bat if anything....
    Yup.

    And, if Thornburg starts out on the DL, we'll have Hembree, Wright, Maddox and Scott fighting for his slot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    I went from seeing our pen as our weakest (not weak) link in March to not needing to touch it this coming winter.

    2018's pen looks strong AND deep:

    Kimbrel
    Smith
    Thornburg
    Kelly
    Barnes
    Ross
    Workman
    Wright
    Hembree (out of options)
    Scott
    Maddox
    Taylor
    Martin
    Johnson, Velazquez, Beeks, Elias, Haley, Cosart, Poyner, Buttrey


    Maybe they can trade a reliever or two for a first baseman...

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Maybe they can trade a reliever or two for a first baseman...
    A good one?

    Better than a FA signee?

    What could we get by trading Barnes, Hembree and Travis?


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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    A good one?

    Better than a FA signee?

    What could we get by trading Barnes, Hembree and Travis?

    I am okay trading Hembree but might just hold onto Barnes as we don't know yet about Thornburgh. Not sure we can rely on Hanley to play much 1st base next year so if we get a good first baseman and don't resign Moreland, then we would need a backup first baseman and Travis fits that role. Maybe if we get Nunez or an equivalent utility player, the first base role could be filled in that way. I still think Devers position for 2018 remains to be determined. We need his bat but we also need his defense to get much better.

    There will be many interesting discussions on where DD will take the team for next year. His judgment has been good so far with the possible exception of the cost and length of contract for Price. Price could well be a god send in the bull pen during the playoffs so he still seems to have a lot of value for the sox. The depletion of our minor league system has been a topic but so far I haven't seen a performance by those we traded that makes me think they would have helped the Sox.

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    Thornburg has thoracic outlet surgery. See Matt Harvey when you want to see what the outcomes are with that. You cannot count on Thornburg. If he comes back and throws well, good for you. If he doesn't, then that's the natural progression.
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    Our post season pen...

    Kimbrel
    Price
    Smith
    Reed
    Kelly
    Barnes
    one from: Workman/Maddox/Scott/Fister/Hembree/Abad

    Assuming we go with 11 pitchers (4 starters & 7 RP'ers).
    4 starters: Sale, Pom, ERod & Porcello


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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Our post season pen...

    Kimbrel
    Price
    Smith
    Reed
    Kelly
    Barnes
    one from: Workman/Maddox/Scott/Fister/Hembree/Abad

    Assuming we go with 11 pitchers (4 starters & 7 RP'ers).
    4 starters: Sale, Pom, ERod & Porcello

    I like the inclusion of Smith, even though he had a rough outing yesterday. He has good stuff and throws strikes at a high rate. Hard to pick the last one but Scott as a lefty might be needed. Price can't pitch just to get one lefty out, he is more of a couple of inning guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldtimer View Post
    I like the inclusion of Smith, even though he had a rough outing yesterday. He has good stuff and throws strikes at a high rate. Hard to pick the last one but Scott as a lefty might be needed. Price can't pitch just to get one lefty out, he is more of a couple of inning guy.
    Several of our RHPs do very well with LHBs:

    OPS Against
    .333 Smith (just 6 PAs) -.582 in 2015
    .572 Kimbrel
    .675 Reed
    .690 Kelly
    .720 Maddox

    I'm not worried.

    We could also go with 12 pitchers, even with 2 days off in the 5 game series, since I don't see us PH'ing much anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Several of our RHPs do very well with LHBs:

    OPS Against
    .333 Smith (just 6 PAs) -.582 in 2015
    .572 Kimbrel
    .675 Reed
    .690 Kelly
    .720 Maddox

    I'm not worried.

    We could also go with 12 pitchers, even with 2 days off in the 5 game series, since I don't see us PH'ing much anyways.
    Do we have enough healthy bodies to do much pinch hitting?

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    JF tried Workman and Abad in relief today and they both gave up runs. That may be a signal they will not be on the playoff roster . I didn't think either would make it so it makes sense to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldtimer View Post
    JF tried Workman and Abad in relief today and they both gave up runs. That may be a signal they will not be on the playoff roster . I didn't think either would make it so it makes sense to me.
    Abad better make the playoff roster, or my deam of him striking out Judge on an eephas pitch to win the AL Championship will never come to fruition...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoxHop View Post
    Abad better make the playoff roster, or my deam of him striking out Judge on an eephas pitch to win the AL Championship will never come to fruition...
    Hahahahahaha!11!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Cook View Post
    Do we have enough healthy bodies to do much pinch hitting?
    My point was, all our starters are better than any PH'ers we have.

    I guess we may PH for Leon, if he starts.

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    Locks:
    Kimbrel, Price, Kelly, Reed

    Likely:
    Barnes

    2 or 3 from:
    Smith, Workman, Maddox, Scott, Fister/Porcello

    Long shots or impossibles:
    Abad, Hembree


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