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    Red Sox Trade Deadline 2017 Thread

    What do they need to upgrade?

    3B and pitching (always)

    Who do you think they will get?

    Professional 3B rental on cheap dollars imo.

    Will they stay under the cap?

    Maybe? Though DD says they don't have to. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/...t-cabrera.html

    The Red Sox do not need to stay under the luxury tax line in making their deadline moves, president of baseball operations Dave Dombrowski said in an appearance today on WEEI. Recent estimates put Boston about $9MM shy of the threshold, which has added implications under the new CBA since the tax escalates when it is owed in consecutive seasons. While the Sox will no doubt weigh that factor in assessing possible trades, it’s notable that the organization doesn’t feel compelled to stay within those limits.
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    Sox could use a high leverage reliever and we've all seen what the market for those are the last couple trade deadlines. Teams could ask for Rafael Devers for a closer caliber reliever and someone else will pay it if you don't.

    I think they need to start cycling through guys in Pawtucket and see what sticks.

    Chandler Shepard, Jalen Beeks, Kyle Martin, Brandon Workman and focus on a stop gap 3B. It is obvious they will not rush Devers.......but perhaps that might change come July 31st if he's still crushing it in the minors and the price for a 3B is too high.

    Personally I think the plan is to promote him after the AA all star break. So if he's mashing it in Pawtucket for a couple weeks I think the team might reconsider bringing him up in August.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Red Sox fan named Hugh View Post
    Sox could use a high leverage reliever and we've all seen what the market for those are the last couple trade deadlines. Teams could ask for Rafael Devers for a closer caliber reliever and someone else will pay it if you don't.

    I think they need to start cycling through guys in Pawtucket and see what sticks.

    Chandler Shepard, Jalen Beeks, Kyle Martin, Brandon Workman and focus on a stop gap 3B. It is obvious they will not rush Devers.......but perhaps that might change come July 31st if he's still crushing it in the minors and the price for a 3B is too high.

    Personally I think the plan is to promote him after the AA all star break. So if he's mashing it in Pawtucket for a couple weeks I think the team might reconsider bringing him up in August.
    I agree wholeheartedly with the cycling through relievers from Pawtucket. They have enough guys with promise down there (Callahan, Buttrey) that they should give those guys a look before spending more resources on relieve pitchers.
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    When are Smith and Thornburg coming off the DL. Given that they'll return minimally by next year, any reliever replacements would be patch-work. They're both stopper quality.

    Hitting to me is the bigger problem. Geez.

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    What players in the Red Sox organization have trade value, and how much trade value?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fxkatt View Post
    When are Smith and Thornburg coming off the DL. Given that they'll return minimally by next year, any reliever replacements would be patch-work. They're both stopper quality.

    Hitting to me is the bigger problem. Geez.
    Thornburg is done for the year and part of next season.
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    "Relief pitchers are a crapshoot." No, the truth is "Crapshoot pitchers are relievers."

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    Thornburg is done for the year and part of next season.
    Might I add that it doesn't look good for Carson Smith either. He had a "setback" in his rehab and the organization has said that they "don't rule out a return this year" which to me is jargon for...."he's probably not coming back this year."

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    Quote Originally Posted by harmony View Post
    What players in the Red Sox organization have trade value, and how much trade value?
    Off the MLB roster the guys with the most value would likely be Devers and Groome. Guys who aren't on that tier but who have probably seen their stock go up a ton this season are Michael Chavis and Bryan Mata. Aside from that I don't think the Sox have a ton of significant pieces, a lot of guys who profile as relievers still carry value but only so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harmony View Post
    What players in the Red Sox organization have trade value, and how much trade value?
    Tier 1: Devers - Could be used in a trade for almost any player
    Tier 2: Groome, Travis - Could be used in a trade to bring back a solid MLB player
    Tier 3: Ockimey, Chavis, Swihart - Could be used as part of a package to bring in MLB talent
    Tier 4: Everyone else - throw in on any deal
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    Perhaps the Sox should consider bringing Devers up now to see if they can catch lightning in a bottle. At least see what he has to offer at the MLB level. If he doesn't show well by the end of July, then back to Pawtucket he goes. But the Sox will better know where they stand regarding the trade market for a 3B. If on the other hand Devers can hold his own, not necessarily spectacular, but better than any of the others the Sox have tried so far, it may warrant letting him take over 3B for the rest of the season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Red Sox fan named Hugh View Post
    Sox could use a high leverage reliever and we've all seen what the market for those are the last couple trade deadlines. Teams could ask for Rafael Devers for a closer caliber reliever and someone else will pay it if you don't.

    I think they need to start cycling through guys in Pawtucket and see what sticks.

    Chandler Shepard, Jalen Beeks, Kyle Martin, Brandon Workman
    and focus on a stop gap 3B. It is obvious they will not rush Devers.......but perhaps that might change come July 31st if he's still crushing it in the minors and the price for a 3B is too high.

    Personally I think the plan is to promote him after the AA all star break. So if he's mashing it in Pawtucket for a couple weeks I think the team might reconsider bringing him up in August.
    First, the bull pen pretty much has done the job this year. So I'm not real sure why one would choose to go that route.

    But for the sake of discussion, who are you taking off the major league roster to make room to cycle through these PawSox? Right now, your choices would be Barnes, Hembree, Scott, Abad, and Boyer (I'm assuming that Kimbrel and Kelly are safe under this cycle program).

    Abad and Boyer are expendable, but is changing the #6 and #7 relievers going to do much? Hembree is out of options, so you would have to release him. Scott is your lefty specialist; yeah he's had a rough last couple of outings but for the most part he has done the job this year. Barnes has been inconsistent, but are any of these guys going to better than him?

    The starters have been far more of an issue.
    The Yankees could go 0-162 and it wouldn't be enough

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    I don't think finding a reliever is a top priority. If they can add someone for cheap who will help the team, then by all means, go for it. But I would use whatever resources we have elsewhere, namely a solid 3B.

    BTW, I absolutely hate all of the rumors floating around at this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Tier 1: Devers - Could be used in a trade for almost any player
    Tier 2: Groome, Travis - Could be used in a trade to bring back a solid MLB player
    Tier 3: Ockimey, Chavis, Swihart - Could be used as part of a package to bring in MLB talent
    Tier 4: Everyone else - throw in on any deal
    Last November, in comparing Blake Swihart with Jarrod Saltalamacchia at a similar age, I wrote: "Swihart's performance in the first four months of 2017 should determine whether he has more, less or about the same trade value as Saltalamacchia had on July 31, 2010" when the Texas Rangers traded Saltalamacchia to the Red Sox for the humble package of Chris McGuiness, Roman Mendez, Michael Thomas and cash.

    http://www.talksox.com/forum/threads...-Surgery/page6

    In February I questioned projections that had Seattle catcher Mike Zunino outproducing Swihart this year (although I suggested that the Red Sox would be pleased if Swihart's age 25 season matched the age 25 season of Zunino in 2016 when Zunino started the year at Triple A).

    http://www.talksox.com/forum/threads...Vazquez/page73

    I doubt the Red Sox will trade-low on Swihart so the Sox are unlikely to break up the catching trio of Swihart, Christian Vazquez and Sandy Leon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harmony View Post
    What players in the Red Sox organization have trade value, and how much trade value?
    Boom.

    Aside from the players that we don't want to move, that is.
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    "It's also a simple and indisputable fact that WAR isn't the be-all end-all in valuations, especially in real life. Wanna know why? Because an ace in run-prevention for 120 innings means more often than not, a sub-standard pitcher covering for the rest of the IP that pitcher fails to provide. You can't see value in a vacuum when a player does not provide full-time production."

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    Trade deadline rumors are as annoying , and usually as inaccurate , as those dumb mock drafts in the NFL. Anyway , I would say that the bullpen is the least of our needs. Third base is the obvious problem area.

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