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    Quote Originally Posted by Fan_since_Boggs View Post
    Funny, I have a different impression of Young. To me, it looks like he has lost some bat speed. I don't want him back next year. In fact, I'm not sure I want him on the team past this year's trade deadline. I wouldn't object to replacing him with Brentz this year. With that said, I would rather replace him with an established major league player.

    I also think Brentz is a potential trade candidate -- maybe some floundering team will give him a chance at the major league level. He has definitely earned another shot.
    His hard hit% is still above his career norm. He really should be only facing LHP and done really well as a PH. He's fine for a 5th OF spot and I'd try to have him learn 1B in the offseason too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    His hard hit% is still above his career norm. He really should be only facing LHP and done really well as a PH. He's fine for a 5th OF spot and I'd try to have him learn 1B in the offseason too.
    He's hit RHPs better this year, so it's hard to say now, that he should only face LHPs.

    Since Beni struggles vs lefties, maybe that still should be the plan for the second half of 2017.

    I can't see Young being offered a contract this winter. I doubt Brentz is in the 2017 picture, but if he is, it will be (IMO) as minor league depth.

    He's not on the 40 man roster currently, so he will have minor league FA rights this winter. I'm pretty sure someone will give him a better shot at making their 25 man roster than we can. We may just go with Holt as our 4th OF'er or sign a cheap FA that can back up 3B and maybe 1B while giving us LF depth.

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    Jesse Barfield, Brian Bogusevic, Bryce Brentz, Dan Butler, Ryan Court, Jacob Dahlstrand, Matt Dominguez, Shawn Haviland, Williams Jerez, Kyle Kendrick, Deiner Lopez, Heiker Meneses, Edgar Olmos, Mike Olt, Mitchell Osnowitz, Jhonny Peralta, Tim Roberson, Jose Sermo, Aneury Tavarez, Herny Urrutia, Elih Villaneuva, Marcus Walden, Jordan Weems

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    He's hit RHPs better this year, so it's hard to say now, that he should only face LHPs.

    Since Beni struggles vs lefties, maybe that still should be the plan for the second half of 2017.

    I can't see Young being offered a contract this winter. I doubt Brentz is in the 2017 picture, but if he is, it will be (IMO) as minor league depth.

    He's not on the 40 man roster currently, so he will have minor league FA rights this winter. I'm pretty sure someone will give him a better shot at making their 25 man roster than we can. We may just go with Holt as our 4th OF'er or sign a cheap FA that can back up 3B and maybe 1B while giving us LF depth.
    I'd just take Selsky off the 40 man and replace him with Brentz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    I'd just take Selsky off the 40 man and replace him with Brentz.
    That could happen, if an OF'er gets hurt, but by keeping Selsky on the 40 man, we have both him and Brentz as farm depth to the end of the season.

    Brentz becomes a minor league FA after this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    That could happen, if an OF'er gets hurt, but by keeping Selsky on the 40 man, we have both him and Brentz as farm depth to the end of the season.

    Brentz becomes a minor league FA after this year.
    Selsky is useless though. I'd just put him through waivers. No one will claim him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Selsky is useless though. I'd just put him through waivers. No one will claim him.
    No need to do it until we want to or need to call Brentz up.

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    I'm sure I've read somewhere that Lin has played CF. I would love to see him take the spot of Holt.

    Lin to me looks to be bit more athletic than Holt. Little quicker. He comes cheap and we need to make choices to lower our payroll for non essential personnel BECAUSE WE FUCKED UP WITH PABLO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch View Post
    The C's overlap on the front end and the Pats overlap on the back end. If the sox suck, fans Who would tune in in May or June after the C's are eliminated don't tune in and those that did, tune out in August as preseason football starts
    Very few fans tune out April baseball, as evidenced by ticket sales in April vs. other months. The NFL plays one game per week.

    MLB has a virtual monopoly on sports in the summer. The competition is other forms of entertainment. ..

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    I must say I am enjoying this season, even if my team didn't upgrade at the break. That being said, this is my post from 2017 predicting the 2020 closing of the window. Bradley and Sale fell off, which is why Sale signed for less money and Bradley is staring a DFA in the face. Bogey extended at cheap money for the sox. Kimbrel went packing. The sox did next to nothing in the draft and development range outside of getting Casas who is a long ways off. This 2019 team is seeing what a lack of depth and development gets you. Nobody to deal off for parts, no rookies to bring up to bolster the team's weaknesses. The sox farm is considered so bad that they are 30th in baseball with a "wide gap" between them and the 29th ranked team. The sox looked for pen options at the deadline, but teams had no interest in their minor leaguers due to either lack of production, ceiling, or proximity.

    This is why I am glad Cashman didn't pay the insane prices being asked of him. When you deal off major talent for short term upgrades, you end up with a window and a cliff. The sox haven't had a cliff like this one in the Henry era. Theo and Cherries ALWAYS maintained a solid farm system. Even if the sox took a step back in farm rankings due to promotions, they were only a year off before the next wave replaced their losses. Yes, the sox spent 3 glorious years in last place since 2003, but during that time elite talents like Bogaerts, Betts, and Devers were making their way steadily up the chain or graduating to the club. Shrewd moves like dealing Miller for E-Rod helped replenish the depth and add to the team on graduation. The problem you have now is that DD shot the load and either graduated or traded every prospect with a pulse. He then brought in a development team that has failed immensely and the sox 2 scouting directors who have been utter disasters. The sox then spent a wild amount of money on players and extended others leaving them with no financial wiggle room for years to come. This leaves the sox in their current predicament. Farm is too bad to deal for any major upgrades, cap is too close for the sox to spend. Without a drastic deconstruction of some sort, the sox are staring at a prolonged and protracted rebuild.

    One of the only ways I can foresee the sox jump starting this process is to actually lose enough to miss the playoffs this season and sell Betts. One year may not garner the type of return he would have a couple years back, but his return would be pretty substantial to a team with literally no depth. The only way that happens, though, is if the sox miss the POs by a wide margin. DD isn't the type to blow it up unless it is painfully obvious he needs to do that. If the sox win the WC or miss it by a game or 2, that may embolden DD to sell off whatever assets he has left to make one last push, which will deepen the cliff once Mookie leaves or gets paid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Very few fans tune out April baseball, as evidenced by ticket sales in April vs. other months. The NFL plays one game per week.

    MLB has a virtual monopoly on sports in the summer. The competition is other forms of entertainment. ..
    Soccer rules summer sports in the Pacific Northwest.

    Check the attendance figures for the Seattle Sounders, Portland Timbers and Vancouver Whitecaps.

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    The cliff came early, and even outspending everyone by tens of millions when including taxes & Castillo couldn't keep the nice run we had going.
    Trying to play it half way will only prolong the recovery.
    We will need to be bold this winter. Reset the tax sooner not later. Keep the young core and blow up the rest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    The cliff came early, and even outspending everyone by tens of millions when including taxes & Castillo couldn't keep the nice run we had going.
    Trying to play it half way will only prolong the recovery.
    We will need to be bold this winter. Reset the tax sooner not later. Keep the young core and blow up the rest.
    Specific moves in mind?
    Championships since purchase by John Henry group: Red Sox 4 Yankees 1

    The Red Sox are 8-1 in their last 9 postseason games against the Yankees.

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    [QUOTE=Bellhorn04;1273506]Specific moves in mind?[/QUOTbE]

    Sign nobody but maybe Holt & Leon at min. Trade JBJ and someone else to get under the tax line. Extend Betts after 2020, start the clock over on the luxury tax and hope we draft well after a down season in 2020.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Specific moves in mind?
    Trade Betts. Non-tender JBJ. Bring no one back.

    (Talking about potential free agents, of course.)

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    Trading Betts will return depth to the farm, but it doesnt fix the fact that $77 mil AAV is stuck in your rotation between 3 guys who aren’t even 1-2’s in Price, Sale and Eovaldi and it will stay that way for 3 more years.

    My bet is DD rides with this squad for one more hurrah and the Sox probably do achieve more than 2019 just based on them being managed better in ST and likely not playing deep into October. But I doubt the Sox reach title contention in 2020. But I bet DD thinks they will

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