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  1. #31
    Sale looked GREAT tonight. 8 inning shutout baseball.

    He's the type of pitcher who WANTS the ball when the division and the pennant is on the line.

    I say give him the ball. He's our best hope!

    Once we clinch, rest him a couple of days. Let him get 1 start before the playoffs so he doesn't get too rusty. But we don't have luxuries right now. The lead is not so great that winning the division and making the playoffs is assured!

  2. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Slasher9 View Post
    It's 90% that we win the division. Worth the risk to give sale 1 less start between now and playoffs
    They tried that in 2011. How well did that work for us?

    Don't get fancy. Focus on the task at hand until it is completed. We've seen how it works if you don't do it that way.

    As far as I can tell this idea the starting pitcher always benefits from rest is so much toxic brain fluff. We've all seen the guy who comes back after a rest period and can't find his rhythm. You're rolling the dice either way so I'd rather roll them in a way that secures the playoffs.

  3. #33
    End of debate.

    Dojji has spoken.
    "Hating the Yankees like it's a religion since 94'" RIP Mike.


    "It's also a simple and indisputable fact that WAR isn't the be-all end-all in valuations, especially in real life. Wanna know why? Because an ace in run-prevention for 120 innings means more often than not, a sub-standard pitcher covering for the rest of the IP that pitcher fails to provide. You can't see value in a vacuum when a player does not provide full-time production."

  4. #34
    Is this the first pennant race sale has ever had a legitimate chance to be part of?

    If so, he must be jacked and having the time of his professional life!

  5. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Dojji View Post
    They tried that in 2011. How well did that work for us?

    Don't get fancy. Focus on the task at hand until it is completed. We've seen how it works if you don't do it that way.

    As far as I can tell this idea the starting pitcher always benefits from rest is so much toxic brain fluff. We've all seen the guy who comes back after a rest period and can't find his rhythm. You're rolling the dice either way so I'd rather roll them in a way that secures the playoffs.
    It's not getting "fancy". It's been done countless times with success and failure.

    I'm trying to change this pattern:

    Career OPS against

    .587 April
    .538 May
    .594 June
    .628 July
    .645 August
    .746 September

    One could ask, how well did pitching the daylights out of Sale work for the White Sox and Sale's end of season success?


  6. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by Spudboy View Post
    End of debate.

    Dojji has spoken.
    Fear the might of the Dojjarajah

  7. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    It's not getting "fancy". It's been done countless times with success and failure.

    I'm trying to change this pattern:

    Career OPS against

    .587 April
    .538 May
    .594 June
    .628 July
    .645 August
    .746 September

    One could ask, how well did pitching the daylights out of Sale work for the White Sox and Sale's end of season success?

    Post hoc, ergo proptor hoc

  8. #38
    Once we clinch, rest him a couple of days.

    Have you looked at the schedule?

    Assuming we need 2 starts by Sale in the next 10 games AND win the division

    9/21 Off
    9/22 @CIN Porcello +1
    9/23 @CIN ERod +1
    9/24 @CIN Fister +1
    9/25 TOR Pom +1
    9/26 TOR Sale +1
    9/27 TOR Porcello
    9/28 HOU ERod
    9/29 HOU Fister
    9/30 HOU Pom
    10/1 HOU Sale
    10/2 off
    10/3 off
    10/4 off
    10/5 Game 1 Sale on short rest? WTF!!!!! (Or Pom on normal rest)
    10/6 Game 2 Sale with no extra rest?
    10/7 off
    10/8 Game 3 Porcello?
    10/9 Game 4 ERod?
    10/10 off
    10/11 Game 5 Sale?

    If we clinch before the last day of the year, we'd end up having Sale go on 9 days rest or going on 4 days of extra rest.

    If you're worried about how well do after getting extra rest, getting 4 days extra is worse than 1 or 2. so that argument made against resting Sale now actually works against that argument. My contention is that is probably ebtter to give sale 1-2 extra days rest for 3 times in a row rather than give him all the extra days off at once.

    Here is Sale's record on various days rest:
    3 days 5.40/ 1.80
    4 days 3.10/ 1.08
    5 days 3.25/ 1.03
    6 days 1.88/ 0.98

    I'd have given him 2 days now, so he'd pitch
    9/22 @ CIN (+2 days rest)
    9/29 v HOU (+2)
    10/5 Game 1 (+1)





  9. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by Dojji View Post
    Fear the might of the Dojjarajah
    Dojji head in sand.

    Fear tired Sale in the playoffs.

    Sale= best playoff hope.

  10. #40
    You have to get to the playoffs first if you have any intention of winning when you get there. The right decision was made last night with respect to Sale imo. I'm surprised that the issue was even brought up when looking at the slim lead that we have over the Yankees.

  11. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by cp176 View Post
    You have to get to the playoffs first if you have any intention of winning when you get there. The right decision was made last night with respect to Sale imo. I'm surprised that the issue was even brought up when looking at the slim lead that we have over the Yankees.
    I was surprised as well.

  12. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Slasher9 View Post
    It's 90% that we win the division. Worth the risk to give sale 1 less start between now and playoffs
    90% doesn't get it. If we lost last night it would probably be down to 80% or something. Yanks are hot and have a cupcake schedule for their last 10.

  13. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Dojji head in sand.

    Fear tired Sale in the playoffs.

    Sale= best playoff hope.
    Concerns about Sale being tired in the playoffs pale next to concerns about losing the division to the Yankees or ending up in a tie with them and possibly having to play not one but two playin games.

  14. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    90% doesn't get it. If we lost last night it would probably be down to 80% or something. Yanks are hot and have a cupcake schedule for their last 10.
    How much does Sale pitching 1 more games instead of two hurt our odds?

    90% to 88%?

    He's been inconsistent of late, most likely due to fatigue, so we're not even sure we're going to get what we saw last night in both of his next 2 starts.

    ER/IP last few starts (in reverse order)

    0/8
    4/5.2
    0/6
    3/4.1
    0/7
    6/3
    4/7
    1/7
    0/8
    7/5

    5 of his last 10 starts have been "iffy" or worse. Is that what you guys want for the playoffs?

    Really?

    It's not even 'an issue?"



  15. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Once we clinch, rest him a couple of days.


    If we clinch before the last day of the year, we'd end up having Sale go on 9 days rest or going on 4 days of extra rest.

    If they clinch the division before the last day, you send Sale out on the 1st for 2-3 innings (or maybe 30-40 pitches). If they skip his start, he's be throwing on the side anyway. Then you can bring him back for Game 1 on "short" rest without it being too big a deal and still give him a chance to keep sharp.
    The Yankees could go 0-162 and it wouldn't be enough

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