And one more thing.
This is one fucking boring hot stove season. I'm guessing that teams are trying to spend less this winter so no one is jumping into the pond just yet.
It's whacky to think that no major deals have been made yet.
And one more thing.
This is one fucking boring hot stove season. I'm guessing that teams are trying to spend less this winter so no one is jumping into the pond just yet.
It's whacky to think that no major deals have been made yet.
"Hating the Yankees like it's a religion since 94'" RIP Mike.
"It's also a simple and indisputable fact that WAR isn't the be-all end-all in valuations, especially in real life. Wanna know why? Because an ace in run-prevention for 120 innings means more often than not, a sub-standard pitcher covering for the rest of the IP that pitcher fails to provide. You can't see value in a vacuum when a player does not provide full-time production."
On this date last year the free agents signings were Andrew Bailey, R.A. Dickey, Kendrys Morales, Chris Helsey, Bartolo Colon, Jesse Chavez, Jeremy Hellickson, Neil Walker, Charlie Morton, Josh Reddick, Drew Butera and Brett Cecil.Originally Posted by Spudboy
Eight were among MLB Trade Rumors' Top 50 free agents last year: Hellickson No. 7, Reddick No. 17, Walker No. 18, Morales No. 22, Cecil No. 26, Colon No. 41, Morton No. 46 and Dickey No. 48:
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2016/...edictions.html
None of this year's MLBTR Top 50 have signed (with the exception of No. 5 Masahiro Tanaka's opt-in):
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/...edictions.html
They want Stanton: they just can't afford him.
They want to dump $30M a year in salary, and if they have to pay some of Stanton's deal to get a better return, they'll have to trade Gordon and/or Prado (dump).
Finding a trading partner willing to take the whole contract is one choice they are looking at. They will weigh that choice vs the offers made where the Marlins pay part of Stanton's deal.
I realize other teams can make better prospect offers than us, but they will want money. We don't have to ask for money.
I hope we don't have to trade JBJ or Bogey for prospects to flip to Miami. I'm not sure I'd want to open new holes.
I think we can offer a nice prospect package that might be good enough, assuming we take Stanton's full salary.
If we agreed to take Prado, too, I feel we could get Stanton for much cheaper than many think he will cost.
But so far St. Louis and San Francisco have been more inclined to give actual packages with real prospects. THAT is the biggest obstacle for Boston.
Stanton will get dealt, but likely somewhere else. And Miami probably gets one decent prospect better than anything the Sox have offered.
How many of those accepted qualifying offers? Hellickson certainly did.
Bret Cecil strikes me as a cautionary tale for overpaying early...
Last edited by notin; 11-20-2017 at 07:10 PM.
Usually very little happens before Thanksgiving. THe next winter meetings from December 10-14 should be much more eventful...
The reason why the signings are held up are two-fold. One, the Ohtani saga is rolling along. He is such an impact FA that once his domino falls, others should as well. Also, the big names this year are all represented by Boras. Boras slows things down and typically a big domino falls before the smaller ones do.
Also, I think the events of today practically gift wrap Otani to NY. The Yankees acquired the Marlins INTL bonus slot, pushing their total above $4 mil and making them the team with the largest bonus pool
EDIT:
The amount the Marlins sent over was smaller than initially reported. We are now only $30K behind the Rangers in bonus pool money
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Hal sucks
No one really knows how much money is a factor. The only party it seems to matter to is the Nippon Ham Fighters.
It certainly doesn't seem like Otani cares, or he would postpne his arrival by one season to let his ankle recover fully.
The Yankees figure to be in the running for him regardless, but do they have a selling point over the Rangers or Mariners? The Mariners might have made even more sense had Nintendo not old off the majorty of their shares...
They do have a selling point, IMO. Their team is far better than the Rangers and Mariners and is on the upswing. The most recent ace from Japan is in a Yankee uniform. The best Japanese player in modern day history (over there at least) also played in NY (Matsui) and we had a short stint with Ichiro too.
Hal sucks
You ever oversell your players from their overseas days.
Matsui was a great player in Japan, but he benefited from playing for the most popular team in the country, the Yomiuri Giants. Ichiro played for a far lesser team, the Orix Blue Wave, but when he left for Seattle, attendace plummeted for the team. Heavily. Conversely, post-Matsui Giants continued a half-century long string of sold out games.
Really, while the Yankees are certainly putting together a good team, so is Texas, and so is Minnesota (surprisingly). If Otani wants to be the proverbial Big Fish, he stands a better chance there.
Seattle has the obvious proximity advantage, and the Angels do as well. The Mariners in particular have a long history with Japanese players tha extends beyond Ichiro (who I would bet is not remembered as a Yankee in Japan).
But really, the most popular player over there in the past few decades was Daisuke, a player Otani possibly idolized at one point. But the Sox are going to be on the outside looking in on this one, unless the situation is unresolved this year..
Really? Texas was abysmal this year and is now without Darvish. The Twins are on the upswing, but they were far inferior to the Yankees and got smoked in the playin game. We have the best farm. We have the best young core. We have the second most money available. And we happen to have a hole in the rotation and at DH. We are the favorites here
Hal sucks
The Twins might not be as inferior as you think. Try not base base too much on one game.
And if Otani thinks he can carry a good team to the post-season, he will find himself at the forefront of the Twins team as opposed to being behind a few other ready-made stars on the Yankees.
It's going to be his choice. But don't count out the Twins...
If is just about taking the full contract , I think a number of teams would be interested . The team that offers the most in talent will probably be the team that gets him , assuming Stanton is okay with it.
And if he isn't all that OK with it, he opts out 3 years and $77mill later.
The Marlins reportedly hd some crazy asking price, but it does look more and more that, while no one will probably hit it, some team will offer at least enough that it isn't a straight up salary dump. I do doubt it's Boston, given the current stage of the farm system.
I think the only way is if Dombrowski gets a little creative and move players like Bradley and/or Bogaerts to get an actual MLB-ready prospect or two a little more enticing than Chavis...
Looks like a deal has been made on the ohtani situation. We should start to see the dominos falling any day now!
I think we should investigate trading for pavel smith. His path is blocked by goldsmith.
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