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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Neither were traditional FA signings.
    I know that, but my point was that people said, back then, that teams were waiting to sign big free agents until after the Stanton and Othani decisions were made. They were made long ago.

    Still, nothing but the sound of crickets...

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    I know that, but my point was that people said, back then, that teams were waiting to sign big free agents until after the Stanton and Othani decisions were made. They were made long ago.

    Still, nothing but the sound of crickets...
    I suspect much activity is taking place outside public scrutiny.

    Remember the days before the 24/7 news cycle when we might learn of a signing in the newspaper a day or two later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Just need one domino to fall.
    Not really.

    The entire world outside of harmony thinks JD Martinez is dealing with Boston alone. Yet for some reason none of the other hitters are signing...

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    God bless his soul, but Tom Petty said it best...

    The waiting is the hardest part...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Which raises the question, what's the difference between a 'hold out' and an unemployed person?
    The real question to me is, when does "unemployment" become "retirement"?

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    There has to be something a little devious going on. Not even Boras himself expected to have Martinez, Hosmer, Moustakas and Arrieta still unsigned on January 19. He'll have something to say about it all at some point, I expect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    There has to be something a little devious going on. Not even Boras himself expected to have Martinez, Hosmer, Moustakas and Arrieta still unsigned on January 19. He'll have something to say about it all at some point, I expect.
    If they all sign for about their expected numbers, I'm not sure anything "devious" happened.

    It does make you wonder....

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    If they all sign for about their expected numbers, I'm not sure anything "devious" happened.

    It does make you wonder....
    Is it possible decision makers are tired of Borass schtick? At some point will he be accused of conflict of interest charge? How many top tier talent can he represent at once? How can he not prioritize his clients?

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    I know that, but my point was that people said, back then, that teams were waiting to sign big free agents until after the Stanton and Othani decisions were made. They were made long ago.

    Still, nothing but the sound of crickets...
    I think it's FA's that set the market, not trades or IFA's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    If they all sign for about their expected numbers, I'm not sure anything "devious" happened.

    It does make you wonder....
    It's hard to say right now. I think the biggest factor is the dumb luxury tax threshold. I understand having one, but I think the threshold should be much higher. A lower threshold will depress wages (and we all know our cable bills or tickets or concessions aren't getting cheaper).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    Is it possible decision makers are tired of Borass schtick? At some point will he be accused of conflict of interest charge? How many top tier talent can he represent at once? How can he not prioritize his clients?
    That's not what a conflict of interest is tho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    That's not what a conflict of interest is tho.
    It's not inconceivable that Boras could have conflicting interests with his clients.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    It's not inconceivable that Boras could have conflicting interests with his clients.
    Scott Boras undoubtedly has a conflict of interest with many of his clients but I suspect Boras informs each prospective client of the potential conflicts, asks the player to sign a waiver and advises the player to seek independent counsel on that narrow issue.

    Boras is a licensed attorney in California but I assume the agent contract Boras offers to players clearly states that he is the player's agent, not the player's attorney. Different rules apply.

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    A good read on why the FA is a little slow this year.

    https://www.si.com/mlb/2018/01/19/fr...eta-yu-darvish
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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    A good read on why the FA is a little slow this year.

    https://www.si.com/mlb/2018/01/19/fr...eta-yu-darvish
    I like that article.

    I have said this before, I just don't see these guys as "transformational" players. Their agents may blow smoke up their asses and inflate their egos, but they are mostly a flawed group.

    No way JDM is worth 5/125.

    Whatever.

    Glad we got Moreland back. At least he is worth his contract.
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