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Thread: A Realistic View at 2018: Part I

  1. #2491
    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Cook View Post
    If January is the new December, I guess we should see dave start to saddle up here soon.
    The Detroit Tigers signed Prince Fielder to a nine-year, $214 million contract on January 26, 2012.

    Dave Dombrowski was the general manager of the Tigers and Scott Boras was the agent for Fielder.

    Some say Boras went above Dombrowski's head to Detroit owner Mike Illitch:

    https://www.sbnation.com/2012/1/25/2...detroit-tigers

    Here is an Over the Monster piece that appeared a month before the David Price signing:

    https://www.overthemonster.com/2015/...-agency-trades
    Last edited by harmony; 12-27-2017 at 04:10 PM.

  2. #2492
    Quote Originally Posted by harmony View Post
    The Detroit Tigers signed Prince Fielder to a nine-year, $214 million contract on January 26, 2012.

    Dave Dombrowski was the general manager of the Tigers and Scott Boras was the agent for Fielder.

    Some say Boras went above Dombrowski's head to Detroit owner Mike Illitch:

    https://www.sbnation.com/2012/1/25/2...detroit-tigers

    Here is an Over the Monster piece that appeared a month before the David Price signing:

    https://www.overthemonster.com/2015/...-agency-trades
    Interesting.

    Thanks for the links.

  3. #2493
    What major alternative to signing JD Martinez do we have?

    Sign a big-named pitcher? Darvish or Arrieta

    Sign Moustakas and move Devers to DH? Nope.

    Sign Lorenzo Cain and trade JBJ for Salazar? Nope.

    Sign Cobb or Lynn plus Nunez? Hmmm...

    To me, it's JD or Cobb & Nunez.



  4. #2494
    The FA market has been slow to get going. I still think Martinez is DD main target. I think January is going to be crazy! Something still may happen with Hanley? If JD doesn’t happen does Nunez return? I don’t think the Sox go to spring training as is.

  5. #2495
    Quote Originally Posted by Behindenemylines View Post
    The FA market has been slow to get going. I still think Martinez is DD main target. I think January is going to be crazy! Something still may happen with Hanley? If JD doesn’t happen does Nunez return? I don’t think the Sox go to spring training as is.
    I'd say, if we don't sign JD, we'll go for a solid pitcher.

  6. #2496
    If dave could find a sucker to take hanley off our hands, I am confident he would pull the trigger on JD very quickly!

    However since no sucker exists, can we please pass on JD and sign a quality starter and reliever?

  7. #2497
    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    What major alternative to signing JD Martinez do we have?

    Sign a big-named pitcher? Darvish or Arrieta

    Sign Moustakas and move Devers to DH? Nope.

    Sign Lorenzo Cain and trade JBJ for Salazar? Nope.

    Sign Cobb or Lynn plus Nunez? Hmmm...

    To me, it's JD or Cobb & Nunez.


    Cobb is a disaster waiting to happen. Please sign him or Lynn, please

  8. #2498
    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Cook View Post
    If dave could find a sucker to take hanley off our hands, I am confident he would pull the trigger on JD very quickly!

    However since no sucker exists, can we please pass on JD and sign a quality starter and reliever?
    Any player the Sox can deal Hanley Ramirez for you probably don't want to see on the Sox...

  9. #2499
    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    I'd say, if we don't sign JD, we'll go for a solid pitcher.

    Possible. And likely, assuming Darvish or the declining Arrieta are still unsigned.

    Also possible there is an "outside the box" solution we have not thought of. Like signing Wade Davis and trading Kimbrel.

    The big issue is obvious. Teams interested in Kimbrel are clearly trying to win immediately and therefore less likely to give up the pitcher or hitter the Sox want, so it could wind up as a complicated three team scenario.

    Or the Sox could sign Davis and just have a monster bullpen. While Davis undoubtedly wants a closing job, if he was paid closer money, he might not mind doing set up work for one season and assuming the closer role after Kimbrel leaves via free agency.

    In some respects, this is a lot smarter than signing a starter. Closers and relievers typically hold their value longer than starters as pitchers enter their 30s...

  10. #2500
    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Possible. And likely, assuming Darvish or the declining Arrieta are still unsigned.

    Also possible there is an "outside the box" solution we have not thought of. Like signing Wade Davis and trading Kimbrel.

    The big issue is obvious. Teams interested in Kimbrel are clearly trying to win immediately and therefore less likely to give up the pitcher or hitter the Sox want, so it could wind up as a complicated three team scenario.

    Or the Sox could sign Davis and just have a monster bullpen. While Davis undoubtedly wants a closing job, if he was paid closer money, he might not mind doing set up work for one season and assuming the closer role after Kimbrel leaves via free agency.

    In some respects, this is a lot smarter than signing a starter. Closers and relievers typically hold their value longer than starters as pitchers enter their 30s...
    A little late, the Rockies just signed Wade for a massive 3 yr / 52 Millions contract, surprised for the amount paid for him

  11. #2501
    Quote Originally Posted by Carpin View Post
    A little late, the Rockies just signed Wade for a massive 3 yr / 52 Millions contract, surprised for the amount paid for him
    Plus a vesting option that could make it 4 yrs / 66 million.

    The guaranteed AAV of 17.33 is a record for relievers, higher than Chapman's 17.2.

  12. #2502
    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Any player the Sox can deal Hanley Ramirez for you probably don't want to see on the Sox...
    I think a bag of balls would do nicely. HRam plus $12-15M for a low single A prospect with little upside is what I'm thinking.

  13. #2503
    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Possible. And likely, assuming Darvish or the declining Arrieta are still unsigned.

    Also possible there is an "outside the box" solution we have not thought of. Like signing Wade Davis and trading Kimbrel.

    The big issue is obvious. Teams interested in Kimbrel are clearly trying to win immediately and therefore less likely to give up the pitcher or hitter the Sox want, so it could wind up as a complicated three team scenario.

    Or the Sox could sign Davis and just have a monster bullpen. While Davis undoubtedly wants a closing job, if he was paid closer money, he might not mind doing set up work for one season and assuming the closer role after Kimbrel leaves via free agency.

    In some respects, this is a lot smarter than signing a starter. Closers and relievers typically hold their value longer than starters as pitchers enter their 30s...
    I thought you believed the closer role was vastly over-rated.

  14. #2504
    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Possible. And likely, assuming Darvish or the declining Arrieta are still unsigned.

    Also possible there is an "outside the box" solution we have not thought of. Like signing Wade Davis and trading Kimbrel.

    The big issue is obvious. Teams interested in Kimbrel are clearly trying to win immediately and therefore less likely to give up the pitcher or hitter the Sox want, so it could wind up as a complicated three team scenario.

    Or the Sox could sign Davis and just have a monster bullpen. While Davis undoubtedly wants a closing job, if he was paid closer money, he might not mind doing set up work for one season and assuming the closer role after Kimbrel leaves via free agency.

    In some respects, this is a lot smarter than signing a starter. Closers and relievers typically hold their value longer than starters as pitchers enter their 30s...
    Too late with Wade Davis going to the Rockies

  15. #2505
    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    I think a bag of balls would do nicely. HRam plus $12-15M for a low single A prospect with little upside is what I'm thinking.
    I'm in.
    The King of TalkSox has Spoken.

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    [T]he conclusion to be drawn is that there is no practical value in seeking this ideal lineup, and in that case any way in which it might be meaningfully termed "best" is irrelevant, academic at best, pedantic at worst
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    Unlike hot streaks and clutch, the “Cliff” is a myth. It can’t be defined, and it’s future existence cannot be proved.

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