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Thread: A Realistic View at 2018: Part I

  1. #4171
    MLBTR reports...

    ... J.D. Martinez, though, remains available as the top bat on the market despite a lack of obvious suitors for his services outside of the Red Sox and D-backs. Here’s the latest chatter on the slugger…

    Drellich tweets that he, too, hears a deal between the Sox and Martinez is near, adding that Dombrowski would not comment on the matter.. Piecoro tweets that the D-backs are also under the impression that Martinez is going to the Red Sox, and they’ll need to find a replacement for him.
    The Red Sox and Martinez are now “moving close to a deal,” tweets Jon Heyman of FanRag Sports. There’s nothing finalized yet, he adds, noting that details on the pact remain unclear at this time.


  2. #4172
    Quote Originally Posted by cp176 View Post
    Saying that he and his coaching staff sucked with everyday players is just a little too extreme for me. I wish Alex Cora well and maybe they will win a game or two more but John Farrell and his coaching whether you like them or not did not suck. I shudder to think what will happen to Cora and his staff if this incredible high number of what you and a few others say under performed so dramatically last year don't show an equal amount of improvement this year. I think that it would be a good thing for everybody if this concept of extreme under performance was allowed to just kind of fade away. Maybe we will find out that last year was really closer to what Betts and Bradley really are and maybe we won't. I'm not willing to grant membership into the under performing society to any player who played through injury. Crap happens - it is a new year and the under performance drum has been beaten to death. It is now all about this year not last year or the year before. Like I said before, Alex Cora may be very successful but it won't be because he has some secret baseball formula that no one has ever seen before.
    "sucked" was hyperbole, but our offense finsihed pretty badly last year after leading the league in runs scored by a wide margin the previous year.

  3. #4173
    Jon Morosi of MLB Network puts the guarantee at $110MM... [5 years?]

    Martinez will earn $50MM in the first two years of the deal, per Jon Heyman of Fan Rag (via Twitter). The contract includes two opt-out chances, he adds.


    If he opts out after $50M/2, it wouldn't be such a bad deal at all.

    Even, if he did great, we'd have gotten out money's worth.

    If he does poorly or under performed, he won't opt out but $60M/3 remaining is not terribly horrible either.
    Last edited by moonslav59; Today at 06:11 PM.

  4. #4174
    Quote Originally Posted by cp176 View Post
    I'm not arguing with your statistics and I certainly hope that all of these guys improve this year. I just don't think that it is a given that they will. I think that Betts likely falls somewhere between the high and the low if he has a good season. I don't know really what to expect out of JBJ and I doubt that anyone else does either. I expect a healthy Bogaerts to be better than last year. Holt I don't really care about and as for Beni who knows - hope for the best. Once again though signing Nunez, having Devers for a full season, hopefully signing Martinez and having a healthy Price on the mound are the players that will make the biggest differences on this team IMO. Obviously Betts once again is a key figure for us. I just think that with the four pivotal players that I mentioned for this team maybe some of the pressure to perform to career whatevers will be lessoned on the rest of the troops and as result they will be able to relax and just play the game. i hope that none of them really gives a crap about all of the predictions being made as to how everybody thinks that they will perform. Day to day - pitch by pitch - inning by inning - block out the bullshit jibber jabber and just play this simple game. Don't try to make this an intellectual endeavor.
    Obviously, I am thrilled to have JD on our team. However, I really would have liked to see what kind of improvement our offense would have made without him, because I think it would have been fairly significant.

    Now if our offense improves, the improvement will mostly be credited to the addition of JD. And while that will certainly help, I think a fair part of the improvement would have happened anyway.

  5. #4175
    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    ...and it's easy to look at these guys one-by-one and find legitimate reasons for a decline. Injuries and whatever.

    Betts did better at age 22 and 23 than 24.

    Bogey did better at 22 and 23 than 24.

    JBJ did better at 25 and 26 than 27.

    Holt did better at 27 and 28 than 29 (not uncommon).

    Beni did better at age 21 than 22.

    By themselves, it's no big deal.

    In totality, it's a rare happening.

    It was very unexpected that all these guys declined at once, and although many did not decline much from their 2015 numbers, they all did worse.

    Could it be that all these guys had an outlier season or two early in their career, and really are not as good as we came to believe? Of course, it's possible, but JBJ is 27 now (peak prime), Betts is 25 (still on the upswing of age curve charts) and so is Bogey. Beni will be 23 and could be expected to improve.

    You and I have been on the same page on this one all offseason.

  6. #4176
    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Cook View Post
    I want to go back to leadership and pedroia for a second. There is an article on the NESN site that basically says pedroia wants others to step up and be the leaders of the team. Ok probably best for the team if that happens, don’t know who could fill that role. But that is pedrioa’s perrogative.

    Then I read the lindy’s baseball preview issue and it has an unnamed scout talking about how pedroia owns the locker room and Cora needs to get pedroia in his corner so as to not wind up like Farrell who did not have pedroia in his corner.

    And in my mind, the conclusion I get as that we have a totally dysfunctional locker room centered around pedrioa. I got a player who does not want to be a leader controlling the fates of the manager. This is not anyway to run a railroad. Somebody needs to step up and stop the madness.

    What am I missing here?
    Pedroia's point in that article was that what's best for the team is to have several leaders, not just one. He pointed to past teams where several of the guys took on leadership roles. It's not that Pedroia doesn't want to be or isn't a leader, but that he's hoping that some of the younger guys will step up and lead the team along with him.

  7. #4177
    Quote Originally Posted by Kimmi View Post
    Obviously, I am thrilled to have JD on our team. However, I really would have liked to see what kind of improvement our offense would have made without him, because I think it would have been fairly significant.

    Now if our offense improves, the improvement will mostly be credited to the addition of JD. And while that will certainly help, I think a fair part of the improvement would have happened anyway.
    I see your point, but if our other players improve, we'll know. (Although some will say JD's presence in the line-up made them do better.)


  8. #4178
    Quote Originally Posted by Spudboy View Post
    Hmm. I can't disagree but I saw an interview during the Price / Eck flare-up where Farrell said that what was going on was being handled internally.

    If that was the case then it is not so much his failure to do something but just an example of how he was doing something that may not have been known by the press and public.

    Who the fuck knows?

    Onward to Cora.
    Excellent point here. A good manager is going to handle these things internally and keep them out of the press.

    Francona was excellent at doing that, IMO.

  9. #4179
    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Jon Morosi of MLB Network puts the guarantee at $110MM... [5 years?]

    Martinez will earn $50MM in the first two years of the deal, per Jon Heyman of Fan Rag (via Twitter). The contract includes two opt-out chances, he adds.


    If he opts out after $50M/2, it wouldn't be such a bad deal at all.

    Even, if he did great, we'd have gotten out money's worth.

    If he does poorly or under performed, he won't opt out but $60M/3 remaining is not terribly horrible either.
    As far as long term deals go, this one does not make me cringe.

    Dombrowski got a little creative with the specifics of it.

  10. #4180
    At winter's start, I was expecting $125M/5.

    $22M AVV is a pretty good deal for us.

  11. #4181
    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    I see your point, but if our other players improve, we'll know. (Although some will say JD's presence in the line-up made them do better.)

    That's what I'm saying.

  12. #4182
    Quote Originally Posted by Kimmi View Post
    Obviously, I am thrilled to have JD on our team. However, I really would have liked to see what kind of improvement our offense would have made without him, because I think it would have been fairly significant.

    Now if our offense improves, the improvement will mostly be credited to the addition of JD. And while that will certainly help, I think a fair part of the improvement would have happened anyway.
    I expected JDM to sign this week since Hoz has now signed. He can bring a much needed power bat to the lineup but I have also believed that our change of management and coaching will have an impact on our approach to hitting and I am hoping that will lift the performance of some young players that played below par last year. Specifically, I see several players who should help

    Benintendi has gained 10 pounds and is a year more experienced. He has had excellent swing mechanics and is likely to move forward.
    Bogey took pitches down the middle and swung at pitches low and away. New coaching may go a long way to help him although he has a pattern of falling off in the second half.
    Betts also didn't seem himself and while his swing mechanics looked sound to me, he still swung at a lot of balls down and away.

    Other hitters that may do better this year are
    Moreland coming off a toe injury. He is a solid ML hitter
    Rameriz should be better with his shoulder now reconstructed
    Pedey when he returns should be able to play without leg pain. He has had excellent hand eye coordination. Lets hope his bat speed won't drop off with his age.

    With Nunez and Martinez coming it will be interesting to see where they play and whether any existing Sox players get traded as a result of these moves.

  13. #4183
    Quote Originally Posted by oldtimer View Post
    I expected JDM to sign this week since Hoz has now signed. He can bring a much needed power bat to the lineup but I have also believed that our change of management and coaching will have an impact on our approach to hitting and I am hoping that will lift the performance of some young players that played below par last year. Specifically, I see several players who should help

    Benintendi has gained 10 pounds and is a year more experienced. He has had excellent swing mechanics and is likely to move forward.
    Bogey took pitches down the middle and swung at pitches low and away. New coaching may go a long way to help him although he has a pattern of falling off in the second half.
    Betts also didn't seem himself and while his swing mechanics looked sound to me, he still swung at a lot of balls down and away.

    Other hitters that may do better this year are
    Moreland coming off a toe injury. He is a solid ML hitter
    Rameriz should be better with his shoulder now reconstructed
    Pedey when he returns should be able to play without leg pain. He has had excellent hand eye coordination. Lets hope his bat speed won't drop off with his age.

    With Nunez and Martinez coming it will be interesting to see where they play and whether any existing Sox players get traded as a result of these moves.
    I very much agree oldtimer.

    I think that the more aggressive hitting philosophy that Cora is bringing to the team will help a good bit. If nothing else, having a fresh voice sometimes helps.

    The players being healthy will also help quite a bit.

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