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Thread: A Realistic View at 2018: Part I

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Maybe not enough value to justify the added cost.
    it's all Ben's fault for signing Sandoval.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    it's all Ben's fault for signing Sandoval.
    ...and HRam's and Price's and...

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    ...and HRam's and Price's and...
    At least the Price deal can be justified that you need to pay a premium for a FA top of the rotation starter who can go 200+ innings. The only issue was that it didn't make sense to offer that deal to Price when they let Lester just walk away for less money.
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    ( I won't say the "C word.")

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    At least the Price deal can be justified that you need to pay a premium for a FA top of the rotation starter who can go 200+ innings. The only issue was that it didn't make sense to offer that deal to Price when they let Lester just walk away for less money.
    Boom.
    "Hating the Yankees like it's a religion since 94'" RIP Mike.


    "It's also a simple and indisputable fact that WAR isn't the be-all end-all in valuations, especially in real life. Wanna know why? Because an ace in run-prevention for 120 innings means more often than not, a sub-standard pitcher covering for the rest of the IP that pitcher fails to provide. You can't see value in a vacuum when a player does not provide full-time production."

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    Season over. Beni cut his hair.
    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    ( I won't say the "C word.")

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    At least the Price deal can be justified that you need to pay a premium for a FA top of the rotation starter who can go 200+ innings. The only issue was that it didn't make sense to offer that deal to Price when they let Lester just walk away for less money.
    I don't disagree, but if any bi contract was not part of our budget, we wouldn't have to worry about the tax on Castillo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    ...and HRam's and Price's and...
    We don't win the division without Price in 2016. DD did what he had to do, 3 last places in 4 years.

    Do you honestly think he wasn't going to sign Price? Hell, we could have just kept Ben if you wanted to come in dead last.

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    #RedSox injury updates:

    * Pedroia cleared to run. But plan remains a cautious build to MLB games in May/June.

    * Rodriguez and Wright throwing. Wright, as expected, further along in his program and would be Opening Day ready. Rodriguez more mid-April.
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    ( I won't say the "C word.")

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick View Post
    We don't win the division without Price in 2016. DD did what he had to do, 3 last places in 4 years.

    Do you honestly think he wasn't going to sign Price? Hell, we could have just kept Ben if you wanted to come in dead last.
    Price was not the only option in 2016. We could have won the division by spending that money elsewhere.

    (Note: I was okay with the signing, but I'm just saying...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    ...and HRam's and Price's and...
    Cherington didn't sign Price

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    If we knew he could do that at the ML level and play plus defense, he'd probably be worth the added cost the tax would bring. That's a big "if."
    If he could do THAT at the ML level, he's an All Star.

    Realistically, he's Jarrod Dyson with a slightly better bat. So now we have to see what the market says Dyson is worth...

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Cherington didn't sign Price
    I know, that's why I brought up his name. Ben is not the only reason we are over the limit and facing a tax on Castillo, if added to the roster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    If he could do THAT at the ML level, he's an All Star.

    Realistically, he's Jarrod Dyson with a slightly better bat. So now we have to see what the market says Dyson is worth...
    We can't assume he can repeat one season at AAA at the ML level.

    He's had much worse years, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    If he could do THAT at the ML level, he's an All Star.

    Realistically, he's Jarrod Dyson with a slightly better bat. So now we have to see what the market says Dyson is worth...
    For what it's worth, ZiPS projects 2018 WAR of 0.9 in 405 plate appearances for Rusney Castillo and 2.0 in 354 plate appearances for Jarrod Dyson.

    https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2018...oston-red-sox/

    https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2018...ttle-mariners/


    Steamer600, which assumes 600 plate appearances for each outfielder, projects 2018 WAR of a negative 0.7 for Castillo and 2.3 for Dyson.

    https://www.fangraphs.com/projection...=0&sort=27%2cd

    https://www.fangraphs.com/projection...=0&sort=27%2cd

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    Quote Originally Posted by harmony View Post
    For what it's worth, ZiPS projects 2018 WAR of 0.9 in 405 plate appearances for Rusney Castillo and 2.0 in 354 plate appearances for Jarrod Dyson.

    https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2018...oston-red-sox/

    https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2018...ttle-mariners/


    Steamer600, which assumes 600 plate appearances for each outfielder, projects 2018 WAR of a negative 0.7 for Castillo and 2.3 for Dyson.

    https://www.fangraphs.com/projection...=0&sort=27%2cd

    https://www.fangraphs.com/projection...=0&sort=27%2cd
    Sounds about right.

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