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Thread: Sox to hire Alex Cora as manager

  1. #196
    Vladimir Guerrero would swing at anything.

  2. #197
    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    As the Sox were sixth in the AL in runs scored while being absolutely abysmal at hitting home runs, they shouldn't try to change that aspect of their offensive approach. The easiest fix is to add a bat that can provide more home runs.

    They were pathetic at home runs. Even if they hit 10% more home runs, they would still have been last in the AL. Yet they weren't even close to being the lowest scoring team, because they put people on base. They were sixth in the AL at scoring at 5th in OBP while being 15th in home runs. And the idea appears to be to cut into the OBP, which was carried by their BB% (5th) as opposed to their batting average (9th). And there are numerous other ancillary effects, such as giving our pitchers longer rests while the opposing pitchers work harder.

    Making this team more aggressive is not a good idea. It's the one thing that worked and it's what Cora wants to fix...
    You make some very good points Notin for sure but quite often you seem to miss the points others are making. This team needs to stray a bit from an extremely predictable group of hitters regardless of what your statistics tell you. One mold does not fit. The goal I don't think is to make the team more aggressive as to trying to give weaker hitters a better opportunity to hit the ball. Plus the fact that this entire philosophy if you will was utilized to try to get an opposing team's starting pitcher out of the game. Clearly not as important these days. It has gone the way of Charlie Lau's method of hitting. I'm old school but even I will let go of things that don't really work anymore.

  3. #198
    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Vladimir Guerrero would swing at anything.

    but saying that a hitter of his accomplishments did not have some plate discipline is a joke.

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  5. #200
    Quote Originally Posted by cp176 View Post
    Plus the fact that this entire philosophy if you will was utilized to try to get an opposing team's starting pitcher out of the game. Clearly not as important these days.
    In the regular season, getting the opposing team's starting pitcher out of the game after 5 innings or so should still give you a good advantage. Not many teams can cover 4 innings with all good relievers, certainly not on a consistent basis.

    I really think a more balanced approach is the best - patient, but not too predictable.

  6. #201
    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    In the regular season, getting the opposing team's starting pitcher out of the game after 5 innings or so should still give you a good advantage. Not many teams can cover 4 innings with all good relievers, certainly not on a consistent basis.

    I really think a more balanced approach is the best - patient, but not too predictable.
    I think that what you are saying here agrees with what I am saying.

  7. #202
    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    In the regular season, getting the opposing team's starting pitcher out of the game after 5 innings or so should still give you a good advantage. Not many teams can cover 4 innings with all good relievers, certainly not on a consistent basis.

    I really think a more balanced approach is the best - patient, but not too predictable.
    Its never been an exclusive"don't swing until you have two strikes" little league approach

  8. #203
    Quote Originally Posted by cp176 View Post
    You make some very good points Notin for sure but quite often you seem to miss the points others are making. This team needs to stray a bit from an extremely predictable group of hitters regardless of what your statistics tell you. One mold does not fit. The goal I don't think is to make the team more aggressive as to trying to give weaker hitters a better opportunity to hit the ball. Plus the fact that this entire philosophy if you will was utilized to try to get an opposing team's starting pitcher out of the game. Clearly not as important these days. It has gone the way of Charlie Lau's method of hitting. I'm old school but even I will let go of things that don't really work anymore.
    I think you hit on something here.

    It's one reason why I liked having Beltre in the middle of a line-up full of patient, disciplined hitters. It messes up the pitcher.

    It seems like our current hitters are all from pretty much the same mold. We are too predictable and too similar in approach.

    Of course, we should not abandon the philosophy that OBP is the single best predictor or scoring more runs, but it helps to have at least one masher among all the OBP guys, especially in a day and age where mashing is becoming the standard.

    We don't have to choose either or. We can keep the patient OBP batters and just add one or two power guys and have the best of both worlds. Plus, it's not like JD has a horrible OBP.

  9. #204
    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Vladimir Guerrero would swing at anything.
    When I mentioned Beltre, I thought of Vlad, too.

  10. #205
    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    I think you hit on something here.

    It's one reason why I liked having Beltre in the middle of a line-up full of patient, disciplined hitters. It messes up the pitcher.

    It seems like our current hitters are all from pretty much the same mold. We are too predictable and too similar in approach.

    Of course, we should not abandon the philosophy that OBP is the single best predictor or scoring more runs, but it helps to have at least one masher among all the OBP guys, especially in a day and age where mashing is becoming the standard.

    We don't have to choose either or. We can keep the patient OBP batters and just add one or two power guys and have the best of both worlds. Plus, it's not like JD has a horrible OBP.
    IMO - exactly right. Too much of one thing usually is never a real good thing. it is very important to be patient with respect to hitting in general. it is just that some need to be more patient than others.

  11. #206
    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    Vladimir Guerrero would swing at anything.

    Apparently including a cop at one time...

  12. #207
    I think as a hitter you donít want to be predictable. A lot depends on who is pitching and how they are pitching. If a pitcher knows that a hitter is always taking the first pitch it changes their approach. If a hitter mixes it up then becomes unpredictable and harder to pitch to. I know that with teams improving bullpens running up the pitch count is not as important.

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