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  1. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Star View Post
    Don't even....
    He is probably more of a sounding board for DD, and won't be anywhere near the dugout.

  2. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
    Wrong. She's positive that there is a cliff coming. She's positive that LaRussa was a bad hiring and that he'll be a meddler. Very positive thinking, imo.
    I stand corrected.
    The King of TalkSox has Spoken.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kimmi View Post
    This is true. Baseball is such a random sport.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dojji View Post
    [T]he conclusion to be drawn is that there is no practical value in seeking this ideal lineup, and in that case any way in which it might be meaningfully termed "best" is irrelevant, academic at best, pedantic at worst

  3. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by sk7326 View Post
    It is a sound move. What you hope is that they have a plan to replace some of the catching instruction he was able to provide in his prior role.
    My hope was that Varitek would take the role of bullpen coach. Unfortunately, that doesn't sound like it's going to happen.

  4. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by Kimmi View Post
    My hope was that Varitek would take the role of bullpen coach. Unfortunately, that doesn't sound like it's going to happen.
    I always expected VTek to end up with a significant role. He was such a student of the game.

  5. #35
    Tek made a lot of money in his career. The best managers are usually the guys who weren’t stars and guys who actually need the income initially before becoming successful

  6. #36
    I think moreover it is hard for great players to be great head coaches - because for them the sport is not that hard ... which makes it hard to relate to players who have to struggle more.

  7. #37
    I wonder who is the best player of all time to manage a team to a World Series title?

  8. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    I wonder who is the best player of all time to manage a team to a World Series title?
    Gil Hodges?

  9. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by sk7326 View Post
    Gil Hodges?
    Sounds right.

  10. #40
    Paul Molitor might turn out to be a good one.

  11. #41
    Quote Originally Posted by Bellhorn04 View Post
    I wonder who is the best player of all time to manage a team to a World Series title?
    Since it's Sunday morning ... using bWAR

    2010s managers

    2011: Tony LaRussa -0.7 WAR
    2012,2014: Bruce Bochy 2.4 WAR
    2013: John Farrell 7.4 WAR
    2015: Ned Yost -3.7 WAR
    2016: Joe Maddon (no ML)
    2017: AJ Hinch 0.1 WAR

    2000s

    2000: Joe Torre 57.6 WAR
    2001: Bob Brenly 12.7 WAR
    2002: Mike Scioscia 26.0 WAR
    2003: Jack McKeon (no ML)
    2004, 2007: Terry Francona -2.9 WAR
    2005: Ozzie Guillen 20.9 WAR
    2008: Charlie Manuel -2.3 WAR
    2009: Joe Girardi 5.7 WAR

    1990s:

    1990: Lou Piniella 12.5 WAR
    1991: Tom Kelly -0.5 WAR
    1992, 1993: Cito Gaston -0.8 WAR
    1995: Bobby Cox 0.9 WAR
    1997: Jim Leyland (no ML)

    1980s

    1980: Dallas Green 2.2 WAR
    1981: Tommy Lasorda -1.3 WAR
    1982: Whitey Herzog 2.9 WAR
    1983: Joe Altobelli -0.9 WAR
    1984: Sparky Anderson -1.2 WAR
    1985: Dick Howser 9.6 WAR
    1986: Davey Johnson 27.5 WAR

    1970s:

    1970: Earl Weaver (no ML)
    1971: Danny Murtaugh 6.4 WAR
    1972, 1973: Dick Williams 3.4 WAR
    1974: Al Dark 43.0 WAR
    1977: Billy Martin 3.0 WAR
    1978: Bob Lemon 48.8 WAR
    1979: Chuck Tanner -0.2 WAR

    1960s

    1961-1962: Ralph Houk 0.1 WAR
    1963: Walter Alston 0.0 WAR
    1964: Johnny Keane (no ML)
    1966: Hank Bauer 26.6 WAR
    1967: Red Schoendienst 42.3 WAR
    1968: Mayo Smith -0.7 WAR
    1969: Gil Hodges 45.0 WAR

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    So looking at since 1960, the nominees for this are

    Joe Torre 57.6 WAR
    Bob Lemon 48.8 WAR
    Gil Hodges 45.0 WAR
    Al Dark 43.0 WAR
    Red Schoendinst 42.3 WAR

    Obviously WAR is a starting point - then consider peakiness of career and such ...

  12. #42
    In Ortiz book, "Papi-My Story" he talks about daily lineups being sent down by the front office in past administrations. Was it Theo, Luchino, or others. Is it still happening with Dombrowski? Not a very good thing to have happening with the manager being usurped. The behind the scenes activities we don't often hear about have a profound impact on the spirit in the dugout for managers, coaches and players.

  13. #43
    Quote Originally Posted by oldtimer View Post
    In Ortiz book, "Papi-My Story" he talks about daily lineups being sent down by the front office in past administrations. Was it Theo, Luchino, or others. Is it still happening with Dombrowski? Not a very good thing to have happening with the manager being usurped. The behind the scenes activities we don't often hear about have a profound impact on the spirit in the dugout for managers, coaches and players.
    I was just reading yesterday about how there seems to be a growing trend with teams hiring younger managers who are willing to take more direction from the front office. They want managers who are willing to accept and use the information collected by the analytics people. The Red Sox even created a new position for this, though the title of that position escapes me right now.

    Three managers who were quite successful (Farrell, Girardi, and Baker) got fired this season. IMO, that's quite a statement.

  14. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Kimmi View Post
    I was just reading yesterday about how there seems to be a growing trend with teams hiring younger managers who are willing to take more direction from the front office. They want managers who are willing to accept and use the information collected by the analytics people. The Red Sox even created a new position for this, though the title of that position escapes me right now.

    Three managers who were quite successful (Farrell, Girardi, and Baker) got fired this season. IMO, that's quite a statement.
    Good observation. The question is whether the analytics are sent down for use by the manager in making decisions or the decisions are sent down to the manager for implementation. I would hope it is the first and that the hiring of younger analytics based managers means that they can benefit from the myriad of information that can be made available. Farrell was well liked by many of the players but may have overstayed his time and I support trying something new.

  15. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by oldtimer View Post
    Good observation. The question is whether the analytics are sent down for use by the manager in making decisions or the decisions are sent down to the manager for implementation. I would hope it is the first and that the hiring of younger analytics based managers means that they can benefit from the myriad of information that can be made available. Farrell was well liked by many of the players but may have overstayed his time and I support trying something new.
    Any manager who isn't willing to accept helpful information of any kind, should not be managing. I know of no managers who flat out refuse the help of specialists in analytics. Some probably use analytics to a greater extent than others but that is just the way it is.

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