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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudboy View Post
    Would you say that if DD got Martinez and Moreland?

    I see that as a gain offensively.

    Probably not enough to outscore some teams but a move forward, anyway.
    And it would be two actual moves.

    Of course Martinez wants to play OF and has no desire to DH (per rotoworld), so we would have to deal Bradley.

    Hopefully he can be dealt for a 1B better than Moreland.

    It would be ba better hitting team but a worse fielding team. ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudboy View Post
    No he is not. He is better at some things which makes him better. But not by enough to justify difference in pay with Moreland.

    I would not pay any more than 3/45 for Santana and that is an over-pay from where I sit.
    Santana does some things better than Moreland? Yes, just a couple - hit, field and run the bases.

    Don't get caught up in home runs; they aren't everything...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudboy View Post
    I see that you have changed your mind or have warmed in some way to the idea of Morrison.

    Maybe I am wrong in saying that but you seemed more sold on Duda and someone else weeks ago.

    What's up?
    I've never been against Morrison. I like Santana better.

    The context of my wanting JD Martinez and Duda was assuming JD would DH, and Duda would...

    1) squeeze HRam out of his vesting option
    2) allow Duda to DH when JD plays the OF in NL parks and when an OF'er needs rest or is hurt
    3) offers insurance against an injury to HRam or JD
    4) is much cheaper than Morrison, Santana and Hosmer
    5) will get much less years of commitment
    6) has more power than Santana, Hosmer and maybe Morrison.

    What's changed?

    JD wants to play the OF, so I'm assuming, if we get JD, we trade JBJ for a pitcher and then need a DH/1B type hitter at minimal cost and minimal years. That's why I have Duda in my top 2 choices. It's close, to me, when you factor money, years and risk-reward factors between Duda & Morrison- assuming JD plays LF most of the time and DHs sparingly.

    I put both of those choices way above any plan with Hosmer in it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    Santana does some things better than Moreland? Yes, just a couple - hit, field and run the bases.

    Don't get caught up in home runs; they aren't everything...
    Plus, he's about even in power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudboy View Post
    And this translates somehow into a huge advantage in what? WAR?

    My point is valid. His on-field value is not 3-4 times that of Moreland. Not even 2 times.

    But if I masturbated looking at stats I may feel differently.
    Creating runs - which is kind of a big deal.

    After all Pujols had 2 less homeruns too - and was one of the worse regulars in the entire league.

    This applies double for Odor from Texas.

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    Boston GM Dave Dombrowski reportedly is "focused on getting one person."

    http://www.masslive.com/redsox/index...ed_sox_qu.html

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    One blogger contends the Red Sox need to sign Eric Hosmer and J.D. Martinez:

    https://thesporttank.com/2017/12/12/...-j-d-martinez/

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    Quote Originally Posted by harmony View Post
    One blogger contends the Red Sox need to sign Eric Hosmer and J.D. Martinez:

    https://thesporttank.com/2017/12/12/...-j-d-martinez/
    Again, I'd rather have neither than both.

    Hosmer will be the biggest mistake signing this winter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Again, I'd rather have neither than both.

    Hosmer will be the biggest mistake signing this winter.
    If he is signed for the expected bloated 5-6 year deal the Sox are making the whole Fatboy mistake again ( in that he is the "big splash free agent" at his position ).
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    Even if Hosmer remains functional, he likely will not be worth the deal to sign him.
    "Hating the Yankees like it's a religion since 94'" RIP Mike.


    "It's also a simple and indisputable fact that WAR isn't the be-all end-all in valuations, especially in real life. Wanna know why? Because an ace in run-prevention for 120 innings means more often than not, a sub-standard pitcher covering for the rest of the IP that pitcher fails to provide. You can't see value in a vacuum when a player does not provide full-time production."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudboy View Post
    If he is signed for the expected bloated 5-6 year deal the Sox are making the whole Fatboy mistake again ( in that he is the "big splash free agent" at his position ).
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    Even if Hosmer remains functional, he likely will not be worth the deal to sign him.
    Hosmer is too wildly inconsistent from year to year.

    He offers no more power than Moreland had/has.

    His defense is over-rated.

    Giving Hoze 4 or more years will be the biggest mistake any GM makes this winter. It's so bad, I'd give up getting JD just to not get Hoze. That's how strongly I feel about the hoze.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    JD wants to play the OF, so I'm assuming, if we get JD, we trade JBJ for a pitcher and then need a DH/1B type hitter at minimal cost and minimal years.
    All I've read is that he's willing to DH for BOS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harmony View Post
    One blogger contends the Red Sox need to sign Eric Hosmer and J.D. Martinez:

    https://thesporttank.com/2017/12/12/...-j-d-martinez/
    They aren't signing both.
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    ( I won't say the "C word.")

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    Quote Originally Posted by harmony View Post
    Boston GM Dave Dombrowski reportedly is "focused on getting one person."

    http://www.masslive.com/redsox/index...ed_sox_qu.html
    It's JD.
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    ( I won't say the "C word.")

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    Reminder: If JD does get overpaid, it may not be Dombrowski's fault. Boras has gone above Dombrowski's head before.

    https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/m...agent-clients/

    General managers, the usually cool-headed decision makers who had historically made the call on how much to spend on talent, weren't necessarily going to back up the Brinks truck to land Fielder's services.

    So Boras simply went around those general managers. Instead, he sussed out the handful of team owners who could be persuaded to think with their hearts and not their heads. He further narrowed that list down, identifying Mike Ilitch as a prime target for his seductive pitch. The Tigers owner desperately wanted to win a World Series. He already employed two handsomely paid superstars in Miguel Cabrera and Justin Verlander. And he was 83 years old, keenly aware of his mortality and how tough it could be to win it all. Here was a man committed to winning who might be willing to spend far more than anyone else would, if only to raise those hopes for postseason glory.

    The result: Fielder inked a nine-year, $214 million megadeal that remains one of the 10 biggest ever signed by a baseball player. That number of years and dollars was shocking enough. What really made everyone's heads spin, though, was the timing. Fielder signed that contract on Jan. 26, 2012, six weeks after the Winter Meetings and long past the point at which free-agent bonanzas typically happen.
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    The things with Hosmer (in particular) and Martinez is that Boston is the only team with both an identifiable need and a ton of money ... Boras has shown no hesitation to get into a staring contest in the past ... but the Red Sox might actually have the leverage here.

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