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    I still think he should have just left Ortiz in. But man, this is one topic that really needs to go away.

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    It's just a silly way to trash Farrell. Wright wanted to pinchrun and using pitchers as pinch runners is a very common tactic in the NL.

    But all this "ruined Wright's career" is so overboard. Wright was like 32 years old at the time and in the middle of his only good season. He wasn't some blossoming prospect where the sky was the limit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    It's just a silly way to trash Farrell. Wright wanted to pinchrun and using pitchers as pinch runners is a very common tactic in the NL.

    But all this "ruined Wright's career" is so overboard. Wright was like 32 years old at the time and in the middle of his only good season. He wasn't some blossoming prospect where the sky was the limit...
    He had thrown a complete game shutout the night before and was putting up All Star numbers and he hadn’t run the bases since high school. He didn’t ask to pinch run. Talking about how he hadn’t run the bases since High School (more than 10 years prior) indicates that he was pretty surprised by Farrell’s decision. It was an idiotic decision as Wright was going to go base to base just like Ortiz, who at least knows how to slide etc. Farrell didn’t intentionally ruin Wright’s career, but he put a guy out there to do a job in which he had no experience or skill. The decision was fraught with downside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a700hitter View Post
    He had thrown a complete game shutout the night before and was putting up All Star numbers and he hadn’t run the bases since high school. He didn’t ask to pinch run. Talking about how he hadn’t run the bases since High School (more than 10 years prior) indicates that he was pretty surprised by Farrell’s decision. It was an idiotic decision as Wright was going to go base to base just like Ortiz, who at least knows how to slide etc. Farrell didn’t intentionally ruin Wright’s career, but he put a guy out there to do a job in which he had no experience or skill. The decision was fraught with downside.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a700hitter View Post
    He had thrown a complete game shutout the night before and was putting up All Star numbers and he hadn’t run the bases since high school. He didn’t ask to pinch run. Talking about how he hadn’t run the bases since High School (more than 10 years prior) indicates that he was pretty surprised by Farrell’s decision. It was an idiotic decision as Wright was going to go base to base just like Ortiz, who at least knows how to slide etc. Farrell didn’t intentionally ruin Wright’s career, but he put a guy out there to do a job in which he had no experience or skill. The decision was fraught with downside.
    Like I said, Pomeranz was the better choice from an experience standpoint. I'd be surprised if Wright was chosen solely because he pitched the night before and therefore would be unavailable to pitch anyway...

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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    It's just a silly way to trash Farrell. Wright wanted to pinchrun and using pitchers as pinch runners is a very common tactic in the NL.

    But all this "ruined Wright's career" is so overboard. Wright was like 32 years old at the time and in the middle of his only good season. He wasn't some blossoming prospect where the sky was the limit...
    Common sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimmi View Post
    Common sense.
    Too bad Johnny Neuron Farrell had none.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notin View Post
    "Relief pitchers are a crapshoot." No, the truth is "Crapshoot pitchers are relievers."

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    Dombrowski people are mistaken saying there window to win, there is a window to win with the current group, and that is the same for every team. Thinks the Sox foundation is good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mvp 78 View Post
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    Dombrowski people are mistaken saying there window to win, there is a window to win with the current group, and that is the same for every team. Thinks the Sox foundation is good.
    What foundation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimmi View Post
    What foundation?
    The flimsy one.

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    Certainly the hopes and projections of the prospects DD inhertited were better than those we have now.

    Our best hopes are...

    Sam Travis seemlessly takes over for HRam at 1B next year, adn we can let Moreland go via trade or after his 2-year deal runs out.

    Devers becomes a major force, so we will not feel so badly about losing Bogey or JBJ.

    Beni becomes a major force, so we no longer have to worry about losing Bogey or JBJ. (If both Devers & Beni become great, we may even be able to stay good without Betts.

    ERod becomes the pitcher we all have hoped he'd become, so maybe we can get by without paying Pom to stay.

    Johnson or Wright step up to be fine 5th starters that are reliable.

    Groome fills in when we lose Porcello.

    Maybe Brannen or Scherff rise to the top. Mata is too far away to hope for any help from him in the next 3 years.

    Certainly, a few of these hopes can become reality, but we'll probably need more to come true than is reasonable to expect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Certainly the hopes and projections of the prospects DD inhertited were better than those we have now.

    Our best hopes are...

    Sam Travis seemlessly takes over for HRam at 1B next year, adn we can let Moreland go via trade or after his 2-year deal runs out.

    Devers becomes a major force, so we will not feel so badly about losing Bogey or JBJ.

    Beni becomes a major force, so we no longer have to worry about losing Bogey or JBJ. (If both Devers & Beni become great, we may even be able to stay good without Betts.

    ERod becomes the pitcher we all have hoped he'd become, so maybe we can get by without paying Pom to stay.

    Johnson or Wright step up to be fine 5th starters that are reliable.

    Groome fills in when we lose Porcello.

    Maybe Brannen or Scherff rise to the top. Mata is too far away to hope for any help from him in the next 3 years.

    Certainly, a few of these hopes can become reality, but we'll probably need more to come true than is reasonable to expect.
    Schreff and groome have the stuff to become top of the rotation starters. Can they develop the control and secondary pitches necessary to achieve that lofty status?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry Cook View Post
    Schreff and groome have the stuff to become top of the rotation starters. Can they develop the control and secondary pitches necessary to achieve that lofty status?
    The Rays develop starting pitchers so why can't we. Groome is the obvious possibility and lets see if he can make the jump within the next two years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moonslav59 View Post
    Certainly the hopes and projections of the prospects DD inhertited were better than those we have now.

    Our best hopes are...

    Sam Travis seemlessly takes over for HRam at 1B next year, adn we can let Moreland go via trade or after his 2-year deal runs out.

    Devers becomes a major force, so we will not feel so badly about losing Bogey or JBJ.

    Beni becomes a major force, so we no longer have to worry about losing Bogey or JBJ. (If both Devers & Beni become great, we may even be able to stay good without Betts.

    ERod becomes the pitcher we all have hoped he'd become, so maybe we can get by without paying Pom to stay.

    Johnson or Wright step up to be fine 5th starters that are reliable.

    Groome fills in when we lose Porcello.

    Maybe Brannen or Scherff rise to the top. Mata is too far away to hope for any help from him in the next 3 years.

    Certainly, a few of these hopes can become reality, but we'll probably need more to come true than is reasonable to expect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch View Post
    Did you put this under your pillow and wish upon a star? Cmon man, come back to reality!
    He said we have a flimsy foundation and admitted that having all these good things happen is unrealistic. Not really reading, are you?

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