2009 Pawsox

[ORS]

Roster (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ros&cid=533&stn=true&sid=t533)

Schedule (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/schedule/index.jsp?sid=t533)

First game was a day game today. Pawsox won 6-4. Of note, Dan Bard recorded the save with 4 K's in 2 perfect innings. Dusty Brown went 2/5 with 2 doubles and 2 RBI.

Enrique Gonzalez got the start. Not sure when Clay or Bowden make their first starts.

Not really anyone else worth following, although I suppose I'll check in on Kris Johnson from time to time.

Discuss.

[TheKilo]

Prediction - Bard is in the Boston bullpen by June 1

[Dojji]

Not an unreasonable prediction, but it would depend on him cutting down his walks.

ORS -- do you consider Daeges "worth following?" He's in Paw. Was 1 for 4 with a walk.

Dusty Brown is a guy we could definitely wind up seeing in a Sox uni this year. He went 2 for 5.

BTW -- Kyle Snyder and Bobby Kielty sightings on Buffalo

[ORS]

Daeges has a DH body, plays DH defense, and hit like an premier MIF prospect in AA last year. He's got the body to break out into some serious power, and his BA/OBP are quite good, but he's got to start hitting like he did in Lancaster without needing the launching pad.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Nice start for Daniel Bard:

2 innings, 0 hits, 0 walks, 4 K

[Dojji]

Daeges has a DH body, plays DH defense, and hit like an premier MIF prospect in AA last year. He's got the body to break out into some serious power, and his BA/OBP are quite good, but he's got to start hitting like he did in Lancaster without needing the launching pad.

Daeges kind of reminds me of Youkilis offensively. A very patient guy with possibly quite a bit of late-blooming power potential.

[jacksonianmarch]

Daeges reminds me of a player we have in our system, Chris Malec. A guy who plays pretty crappy D, but is listed as a utility guy capable of playing 2B, 1B, SS and 3B. But their offense is solid. Good average guys and fantastic eye guys (.291 career BA and .394 career OBP). Its difficult to really place them in a system. They both will likely end up as super utility guys like Catalanotto, whose major asset was offense or if either develop consistent power, a LF or RF.

[ORS]

Yeah, Chris Malec, not on the Pawsox, so.....

Decent outing from Bowden today for the Pawsox. He went 4.2 with 2 H, 2 BB and 5 K's. The walks are uncharacteristic of him, but he struggled with location in ST.

Bailey with a dinger.

Pawsox up 3-0 in the 6th.

[BoSox21]

Clay Buchholz had a bit of a rough outing yesterday:

3.2 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 4 BB, 3 K

Daniel Bard continued with another dominating outing allowing no baserunners and striking out 2 over 2 innings.

[Dojji]

Gotta ask at what point do we say that Bowden has surpassed Buchholz when Buchholz is struggling and Bowden isn't?

[BoSox21]

I dont know but it isnt after one start. I think Buch is gonna have a monster year, he just might have a rough period getting over the disappointment of not making the big club

[TheKilo]

Gotta ask at what point do we say that Bowden has surpassed Buchholz when Buchholz is struggling and Bowden isn't?

Um, do the ST starts mean nothing?

Have Wakefield and Penny surpassed DiceK and Lester?

[Dojji]

You guys are jumping to conclusions about what I said again. I didn't say anywhere that I thought Bowden has surpassed Buchholz as of this moment. I only asked whether and when that line might be crossed.

[BoSox21]

You stated that Buchholz is struggling and Bowden isn't. I pointed out that its an unfair statement to make after one start each

[Dojji]

I was including last year too. Ahh well, not really important.

[BoSox21]

ok....Buchholz outperformed Bowden in the minors last year and you could say Charlie Zink outperformed both of them

to me, one surpasses the other one takes their chance in the majors and runs with it

[TheKilo]

I was including last year too. Ahh well, not really important.

How about 2007?

[jacksonianmarch]

I think Spring Training quelled some fears about the sox brass "ruining" his delivery. Its the first start of the spring. You cannot read too much into it if the pitcher doesnt have location. Hell, Price looked awful in start #1.

[ORS]

Bailey clocked #4 tonight.

[BoSox21]

Bowden's line for 2009 so far...

14 IP, 10 H, 1 ER, 5 BB, 15 K

For an ERA of 0.64

[a700hitter]

Bailey clocked #4 tonight.He deserves a permanent promotion to AAAA.

[ORS]

He deserves a permanent promotion to AAAA.
Looks like he's going to skip that level. Too bad, so sad, you'll have to root for him to succeed or root against your team.

[Coco's Disciples]

I actually like Bailey. I think he can do well in a part time role.

[Dojji]

Bailey has hit well in limited MLB time. Someone will give him a shot.

[Coco's Disciples]

For now, it will be us.

[a700hitter]

Looks like he's going to skip that level. Too bad, so sad, you'll have to root for him to succeed or root against your team.I always root for my team. Why would you suggest to do otherwise. I have nothing against Bailey. I like the guy and got his autograph a couple of years ago in ST. He's a solid hitter but a below average fielder. He's just seems to be one of those guys who is too good to be in AAA doesn't have enough tools to earn a permanent place in the majors.

[CrespoBlows]

Lugo Line: 0-3, 3 K's

[BoSox21]

Daniel Bard struck out 3 on a total of 9 pitches yesterday. He's allowed 1 ER in 9 IP, walking 3 and striking out 16

[Dipre]

Near future= Bard+Masterson+ Papelbon.

Holy shit, this bullpen is gonna be fucking awesome!

[BoSox21]

how long again before Papelbon bolts?

[Dojji]

+ Ramirez

+ Delcarmen

That might be the best 5 righthanded pitchers ever to grace a bullpen.

[Dojji]

how long again before Papelbon bolts?

http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/a-m/killjoy/killjoy_fl.jpg

[Dipre]

http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/a-m/killjoy/killjoy_fl.jpg

Now that's what i like to call comedy gold.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Nice return for Clay Buchholz

6 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 7 K

[jacksonianmarch]

how long again before Papelbon bolts?

this is yr 4 for Paps, right? So after 2011, he'll be a FA. The way he's looked lately, though, he may want to renegotiate about a contract extension now. Cause he looks terrible

[SCM33]

Dusty Brown is a guy we could definitely wind up seeing in a Sox uni this year. He went 2 for 5.

Dusty Brown......who you seem to love for whatever reason:
.213 AVG.--0 HR--4 RBI--13K in 47AB's....in AAA.

George Kottaras....who you also seemed to love in previous posts on this forum:
.143 AVG.--0HR--1 RBI--4K in 14AB's--.278 OB%--.214 SLG%
In fairness, he has done a very good job with Wakefield.

When its all said and done, Id rather have Bard.

[TheKilo]

We're going to make snap judgments on Kottaras based on 14 ABs?

[BoSox21]

Kottaras' job is to keep the knuckler in his glove, the hitting is just gravy

[SCM33]

We're going to make snap judgments on Kottaras based on 14 ABs?

No, not really....I dont dislike him at all....I just wanted Bard and Kotarras's small sample size is in my favor right now, although Bards numbers are as similarly bad haha.

[PapelbonLester]

I think its no too long before we see Buchholz up with the Red Sox. www.theplayoffpush.com

[riverside sluggers]

Bard is just plain filthy

8 appearances (1-0, 3 saves, 1.42 ERA)
12.2 innings, 3 Hits, 2 Runs (2 solo HRs), 4 Walks, 22 Ks:blink:

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Another strong outing from Clay Buchholz....

5.1 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 2 BB, 6 K

[rhet]

There is no reason for Bard to be wasting that filth on the farm. Who would you rather see enter a game, Bard or Javier Lopez?

[BoSox21]

it might not be all that bad of an idea to bring up Bard relatively soon considering he wouldnt be counted on in a primary setup role

[riverside sluggers]

2010 Bullpen

Hunter Jones
Manny Delcarmen
Hideki Okajima
Justin Masterson (if he isnt the rotation)
Ramon Ramirez
Daniel Bard
Jonathan Papelbon

[TheKilo]

That should be the June 2009 bullpen.

[BoSox21]

Clay was named IL Pitcher of the Week after allowing 1 ER in 11.1 IP and striking out 13

[BoSox21]

Bowden had a no-hitter broken up in the 7th yesterday. His ERA for the season now stands at 1.01 in 26.2 IP

Bard also recorded a four-out save striking out four batters and allowing a hit. His ERA is at 1.31 with a WHIP of 0.69 with 29 Ks in 16 IP

[Coco's Disciples]

Fucking awesome.

[castigs850]

clay bowden and bard will all have at least one post season W and/or save this year.

[MannybeingBarryBonds]

Bard needs to be called up lopez is a fucking joke

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Clay Buchholz:

7 IP, 1 H, 0 ER, 1 BB, 8 K .....

Between Bard, Buchholz, and Bowden we have some serious fire power in the AAA system.

[Dipre]

Bard needs to be called up lopez is a fucking joke

Why has this not happened yet?

http://www.humorhound.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/i-demand-an-explanation-baby-demotivational-poster.jpg

[BoSox21]

The way the bullpen has performed, the team has the luxury of letting a guy like Bard bake in the oven a little more

[example1]

FYI, Buchholz pitched for the PawSox last night:

7 ip, 1 h, 0 R, 0 ER, 8 K, 1 BB

He should be starting instead of Masterson pretty soon in my opinion.

[Rdsxmbnt]

Buchholz's last three starts: 18.1 IP, 6 hits, 1 ER, 4 BB, 21 K (0.33 ERA, 1.96 BB/9, 10.31 K/9)

[CrespoBlows]

Matsuzaka is going to take Masterson's spot pretty shortly.

[MannybeingBarryBonds]

Why has this not happened yet?

http://www.humorhound.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/i-demand-an-explanation-baby-demotivational-poster.jpgLopez gives francona good blow jobs?

[BoSox21]

Bowden's line for last night:

7.1 IP, 4 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 2 K

His ERA now stands at a stellar 1.06

[Dipre]

How quick things change.

Now i'm awfully glad that Bard, Masterson, Bowden or Clay didn't get traded for whatever we thought the Sox desperately needed during the off-season.

[ORS]

I'd love to see him miss a few more bats. Results have been nice, but he's had Joe Saunders levels of fortune with BABIP to this point.

[example1]

Buchholz pitched again today at AAA Pawtucket.

0 ER 8ip 4h 0bb 11k

Season line: 2-0, 6 gs, 35ip, 16h, 10 bb, 37k, 1.03 era, 0.74 WHIP

[Coco's Disciples]

*Orgasm*

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Hunter Jones back to Pawtucket
Justin Masterson back to the bullpen
Clay Buchholz to the MLB rotation

[BoSox21]

is that official?

[msubulldogs21]

is that official?

I think that was just what he is hoping we do.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

is that official?

If I was in charge then it would be....but I'm not and it's probably a good thing

[BoSox21]

too bad, I got excited at that idea

[Rdsxmbnt]

Bowden: 8.0 IP, 3 hits, 0 ER, 4 BB, 7 K. ERA down to 0.86. A bit high on the walks but a very nice performance once again.

[jacksonianmarch]

The sox will have to make a decision soon. Buchholz, Masterson and Bowden are all ready for the big time. After this yr, 2 rotation slots open and one big fish is out there in Lackey. The question is, do they ship one of them to Texas for Saltalamacchia or Teagarden now before their stock drops, or do they keep all 3 and see if they can settle into the rotation. As we saw with the yankees, giving two spots in one offseason to relatively unproven young starters could be devastating. It will be an interesting dilemma for the sox.

[Rdsxmbnt]

I'd rather just hold onto all three. Salty is off to another meh start and I'm really not convinced he's is all that he's cracked up to be. Frankly his plate discipline is horrendous (6 BB - 32 K) and I'd rather have him show us something before we trade a guy in Bowden who is absolutely on fire right now.

[jacksonianmarch]

Once he starts showing you something, Bowden wont be enough for him. Thats the issue. Nobody knows if Bowden will translate that dominance into dominance at the MLB level. Just like nobody is certain that Salty will start connecting for power and further a history of patience into true production on the field. This is what you get when you deal a prospect for a prospect.

[BoSox21]

Bowden's line yesterday:

8 IP, 3 H, 0 ER, 4 BB, 7 K

his season ERA was lowered to 0.86

[Dojji]

Bout time to get him to Boston somehow.

[BoSox21]

but how? six-man rotation? DL Wakefield to keep him fresh for later in the year?

I'd be curious to know what Bowden and Buchholz's real feelings are about still being in the minors

[castigs850]

they're fuckin pissssed

[BoSox21]

Javier Lopez's line yesterday in Pawtucket:

0.2 IP, 1 H, 4 ER, 5 BB, 1 K

what a cockball

[Spudboy]

Javier Lopez's line yesterday in Pawtucket:

0.2 IP, 1 H, 4 ER, 5 BB, 1 K

what a cockball
Lopez has BIG problems. If he can't perform in AAA what kind of future does he have? Out of baseball? Maybe some team picks him up? Too bad. He was O.K. for about a year.

[BoSox21]

Lopez has BIG problems. If he can't perform in AAA what kind of future does he have? Out of baseball? Maybe some team picks him up? Too bad. He was O.K. for about a year.

Considering no one claimed him off waivers, I'd say the best he'll get next year is a minor-league contract

[BigPapiEnFuego]

Javier Lopez's line yesterday in Pawtucket:

0.2 IP, 1 H, 4 ER, 5 BB, 1 K

what a cockball

wow he's really lost it.

[jacksonianmarch]

Bowden got lit up tonight vs SWB. 2IP 4ER

[Coco's Disciples]

Which nearly doubles his ERA to...1.64.

[a700hitter]

Bowden got lit up tonight vs SWB. 2IP 4ERToo bad the yankees couldn't touch him in two innings.

[diony]

Too bad the yankees couldn't touch him in two innings.

Holy small sample size, Batman!

[a700hitter]

Holy small sample size, Batman!As are the 2 innings that he pitched in Pawtuckett the other night.

[Dipre]

As are the 2 innings that he pitched in Pawtuckett the other night.

Pwn3d.

[castigs850]

EMIN3M

[Dipre]

EMIN3M

I swear.....you HAVE to be whiter than Kevin Bacon.

[BoSox21]

out of all the stereotypical white guys, you go with Kevin Bacon?

[Dipre]

out of all the stereotypical white guys, you go with Kevin Bacon?

I'll admit i simply don't like Kevin Bacon.

I think he's trailer trash, but maybe that's just me.

[Rdsxmbnt]

Decent start for Buchholz today:

9.0 IP, 1 hit, 0 ER, 0 BB, 7 K (perfect game broken up in the 9th)

EDIT: Also hit 97 a half-dozen or so times

[Teddyballgame10]

Decent start?

[BoSox21]

thats absolutely ridiculous

[diony]

lol

[BoSox21]

he threw only 96 pitches, 70 of which were strikes....and he's #7 on our pitching depth chart right now

[a700hitter]

He can have Wakefield's spot. That's the only spot available for him. Make Wakefield the Trainer.

[BoSox21]

I was thinking about this when walking my dog earlier and im all for giving Wakefield like a month off in July for either Smoltz or Buchholz. But I still see a trade coming. You cant even put anyone in the bullpen cause their stacked as well...if only Ortiz was even a shell of his former self right now....

[Dipre]

Either Clay or Bowden will end up forcing the FO's hand.

Bucholz looks like he has nothing left to prove in the minors.

[Coco's Disciples]

Pretty solid outing.

Now has a 1.30 ERA, 0.75 WHIP, 4.08 K/BB, 9.12 K/9.

[jacksonianmarch]

Either Clay or Bowden will end up forcing the FO's hand.

Bucholz looks like he has nothing left to prove in the minors.

I thought about that for a bit. I was actually on the same page initially. But now that I think about it, how can they force their hand? The Sox have both Bowden and Buch on the 40 man. Buch has had 3 options used. He needs to be in the MLB full time next yr, just in time for that #5 slot to open. Bowden has used 2 options and can be optioned again in 2010. Lets say the sox give Buch the slot in 2010 and they give Bowden the slot in 2011 after letting Wake walk, that would fit in with their plans. The sox actually dont have a lot in terms of MLB ready SP depth past the big 3. They actually dont have anything significant between Bowden and Hagadone/Kelly. That may have been by design over the last few yrs.

[example1]

Buchholz got up to 97 and had only one three ball count. Please be able to do that (throw strikes) in Boston, Clay.


The sox actually dont have a lot in terms of MLB ready SP depth past the big 3. They actually dont have anything significant between Bowden and Hagadone/Kelly. That may have been by design over the last few yrs.

I don't know if this was exactly their plan, but in terms of young MLB caliber pitching the Sox have really out-done themselves.

Kelly- 19 (project)
Bowden, Tazawa- 22
Hagadone, Bard- 23
Buchholz, Masterson- 24
Lester- 25

There are still 4 guys there who really should be MLB contributers as pitchers in the near future (Bowden, Tazawa, Hagadone and Buchholz) and the Sox already have a great staff.



I have no clue how the Sox will ultimately integrate Buchholz into the rotation, but it needs to happen this year. Here's a guy who has already tossed a no-no, almost pitched a perfect game today, and who has been striking out more than 1 per IP in the majors even when he struggles. Until Bowden is pitching no-nos and absolutely dominating the competition, there is no real hurry to get himself, Hagadone or Tazawa into the 'bigs. The club is just that good.

If Buchholz is blocked though, then the Sox may need to make a move to clear up some space.

[jacksonianmarch]

I think the sox are doing what the yankees hoped to do with Hughes. Leave him in AAA no matter how awesome he was doing. Remember, they tinkered with Buch last yr and it showed in his production. Now, he's just killing teams, but it could easily go awry on him. Remember, he wasnt the toughest kid in the bunch. I honestly think they got Penny and Smoltz to buy one extra yr on him. Take the pressure off. And its working. There isnt a need for him to go to the bigs this yr, especially since Masterson could easily swing right back into the starting role.

[ORS]

Kelly- 19 (project)
Bowden, Tazawa- 22
Hagadone, Bard- 23
Buchholz, Masterson- 24
Lester- 25

There are still 4 guys there who really should be MLB contributers as pitchers in the near future (Bowden, Tazawa, Hagadone and Buchholz) and the Sox already have a great staff.
Doubront belongs in this group right now too. People forgot about him after his rough 2007, but he recovered in 2008. In 129.1 IP, he struck out 138, only walked 28, and gave up 10 homers, which is good for a FIP of 2.72.

He reportedly showed up to camp this year with a couple of extra mph on his FB, and he's only 21 in AA. This year he's struck out 39, walked 15, and given up 3 homers in 37.2 IP, which is a FIP of 3.36.

[Rdsxmbnt]

Bowden really starting to put the whole package together. For a while he was working on his slider so the results were a little lackluster, but over the 12 day all-star break for him he supposedly worked on some stuff out of the pen and has come back extremely strong. Last three starts:
5.0 IP, 0 hits, 0 ER, 4 BB, 5 K
7.0 IP, 4 hits, 2 ER, 0 BB, 5 K
7.0 IP, 6 hits, 1 ER, 0 BB, 6 K

19.0 IP, 10 hits, 2 HRA, 4 BB, 16 K, 1.42 ERA. Shame that there is no room in the rotation because he's a MLB ready SP