9/22 Baltimore Orioles @ Boston Red Sox

[Yaz Sideburn]

this one's for all you masochistic red sox fans out there!

[Yaz Sideburn]

RED SOX (83-68)
Kalish CF
Drew RF
Martinez C
Ortiz DH
Beltre 3B
Lowell 1B
Hall 2B
Reddick LF
Navarro SS

Pitching: RHP John Lackey (12-11, 4.63)

ORIOLES (61-90)
Roberts 2B
Markakis RF
Wiggington 1B
Scott DH
Wieters C
Jones CF
Pie LF
Andino 3B
Izturis SS

Pitching: RHP Kevin Millwood (3-15, 5.14)

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Just avoid getting sweeped. I don't want to hear the shit tomorrow at school.

[Spudboy]

this one's for all you masochistic red sox fans out there!

:lol::lol:

True Sawks fans have come to grips with loosing.

No biggy.

And thanks for starting the gt.

[Yaz Sideburn]

:lol::lol:

True Sawks fans have come to grips with loosing.

No biggy.

And thanks for starting the gt.

and people wonder why new england has a drinking problem

[Spudboy]

and people wonder why new england has a drinking problem

What drinking problem? I have no problem consuming a 1/5 of vodka while watching the Sox!

[Yaz Sideburn]

What drinking problem? I have no problem consuming a 1/5 of vodka while watching the Sox!

what's that saying about new england not being a ... region with a drinking problem but being a drinking region with a ... problem?

[Station 13]

Lowell's GIDP is like clockwork.

[Yaz Sideburn]

let's see how many outs navarro can make tonight

1 at bat - 1 out

[Station 13]

this team doesn't give a shit.

[mvp 78]

Was at a pub with a dewey evans bat on the wall. Even they didn't have the game on.

Since I was on the west coast for the past 3 years, i'm taking full advantage of actually being able to watch the sox.

[Spudboy]

this team doesn't give a shit.

Sorry, I don't agree.

While the Sox don't have their best talent on the field, everyone out there has something to be playing for.

[Yaz Sideburn]

they should just take lackey out behind a barn and put him out of his misery

i sure hope he bounces back next year

[mvp 78]

they should just take lackey out behind a barn and put him out of his misery

i sure hope he bounces back next year

He'll be a viable option as an ace if clay and lester get hurt.

[Yaz Sideburn]

He'll be a viable option as an ace if clay and lester get hurt.

...and beckett

[Spudboy]

they should just take lackey out behind a barn and put him out of his misery

i sure hope he bounces back next year

Wait. How is this different from hoping that Paps bounces back next year? Granted, Paps numbers have declined over the last three years. But how can we expect Lackey to make a jump in his second year in the AL East?

[mvp 78]

...and beckett

POS

[mvp 78]

Wait. How is this different from hoping that Paps bounces back next year? Granted, Paps numbers have declined over the last three years. But how can we expect Lackey to make a jump in his second year in the AL East?

See Beckett's 2nd year...

[Yaz Sideburn]

Wait. How is this different from hoping that Paps bounces back next year? Granted, Paps numbers have declined over the last three years. But how can we expect Lackey to make a jump in his second year in the AL East?

that's a fair question. if you look at their last few years though, in my humble opinion this appears to be more of an abberation for lackey

2008 - 3.75 era, 1.23 whip
2009 - 3.83 era, 1.27 whip
2010 - 4.63 era, 1.47 whip

whereas for papelbon, it looks more like a trend

2008 - 2.34 era, 0.95 whip
2009 - 1.85 era, 1.147 whip
2010 - 3.92 era, 1.19 whip

there are also some cocerning trends in papelbon's metric stats. his whip, home run and walk rates have gone up each of the last two years and this is really the second year in a row where he's struggled by his standards

[Spudboy]

Poopi!

[Yaz Sideburn]

:ortiz:

[mvp 78]

Lowrie doesn't make that play.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

:Ortiz:

[yeszir]

:Ortiz:

FAIL

:ortiz:

[Spudboy]

that's a fair question. if you look at their last few years though, in my humble opinion this appears to be more of an abberation for lackey

2008 - 3.75 era, 1.23 whip
2009 - 3.83 era, 1.27 whip
2010 - 4.63 era, 1.47 whip

whereas for papelbon, it looks more like a trend

2008 - 2.34 era, 0.95 whip
2009 - 1.85 era, 1.147 whip
2010 - 3.92 era, 1.19 whip

there are also some cocerning trends in papelbon's metric stats. his whip, home run and walk rates have gone up each of the last two years and this is really the second year in a row where he's struggled by his standards

Excellent post. It's apples and oranges though. One guy spent his time starting against what most observers would see as the weaker teams in the AL. While the other was pitching about one inning largely in the heart of the AL.

My point was, ultimately, how can one project performance of a player? Even with all the advanced metrics available?

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

FAIL

:ortiz:

D; I'm on my itouch. I thought it was Ortiz what is it?

[Spudboy]

Josh!

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Thank you Reddick! 4-1 Sox

[mvp 78]

Excellent post. It's apples and oranges though. One guy spent his time starting against what most observers would see as the weaker teams in the AL. While the other was pitching about one inning largely in the heart of the AL.

My point was, ultimately, how can one project performance of a player? Even with all the advanced metrics available?

Ask Dojji.

[Yaz Sideburn]

Excellent post. It's apples and oranges though. One guy spent his time starting against what most observers would see as the weaker teams in the AL. While the other was pitching about one inning largely in the heart of the AL.

My point was, ultimately, how can one project performance of a player? Even with all the advanced metrics available?

utlimately, we can't. we don't know what these players are going to do from year to year, especially pitchers. there's all kinds of advanced metrics out there but most of them are works in progress that people continually find flaws with and adjust

in many ways, lackey does remind me of beckett in 2006. he came into the year with the largest knock on him being his ability to stay healthy, and to his credit he's going to turn in a 200+ ip year. i don't expect lackey to be the same pitcher he was in the al west, but i think he's capable of a high 200 ip and a high 3's era

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Ortiz is on the $$$$

[Yaz Sideburn]

Ortiz is on the $$$$

contract year :D

[Yaz Sideburn]

rbi for beltre - another guy in a contract year

i'm looking forward to seeing drew in a contract year

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Beltre!!

[Youk Of The Nation]

Thank Zeus for Kevin Millwood. Sox needed this.

[mvp 78]

Navarro loves breaking balls. They don't fool him one bit!

[mvp 78]

rbi for beltre - another guy in a contract year

i'm looking forward to seeing drew in a contract year

Unfortuately, Drew's strikezone will be just as big next year, if not bigger.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Doesn't mean much but I'm glad we won and avoided being sweeped. Stankees are next.

[a700hitter]

We have stunk against the Orioles all season long.

[Station 13]

What is with this team stranding runners on 3B with less than 1 out? They could be 5-7 games better if they could just set a SAC fly in.

[boston22407]

REDSOX WIN REDSOX WIN!

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

REDSOX WIN REDSOX WIN!

Nice timing ;)