07/29 Red Sox vs. Fake Sox

[Spudboy]

Porcello (5-10) vs. Quintana (5-9)


Yay!!!!



GO SOX!!!!!!1!!11

[a700hitter]

Two pitchers with bad win/loss records, but I would take Quintana over Porcello if I were betting. I am not betting, and we got destroyed two nights in a row, so maybe their hitters are tired.

[Spudboy]

Two pitchers with bad win/loss records, but I would take Quintana over Porcello if I were betting. I am not betting, and we got destroyed two nights in a row, so maybe their hitters are tired.

Yes. That's it. Their hitters must be tired.

I'm also hoping that Goldie Locks has been given the night off. He had to run around like a mad man last night chasing all those hits to left and to left center ( not that he caught up with one of those, mind you! )..The slugger needs a blow!!!

[yankthis]

On paper it looks like another 10-8 loss, eh?

[yankthis]

And here we go!

[Jasonbay44]

Really? Lol

[mvp 78]

Well, that's more effort shown from Porcello than I've seen from most other Sox players all year.

[waltr]

And the juddges score 7.0 7.5 and 7.0 for the Porcello dive

[Elktonnick]

And the juddges score 7.0 7.5 and 7.0 for the Porcello dive

That's the best thing Porcello has done all year.

[Jasonbay44]

This team is horrid

[gojohn99]

I see I'm missing another terrific starting pitching performance

[yankthis]

You're missing some terrific "performances" at the plate, too. Somebody needs to tell these guys that if you have to lunge to reach the ball with the bat, or you have to bunnyhop backwards so the ball won't hit your ankles, you probably shouldn't be taking a swing at it.

[Jasonbay44]

Porcello is a fucking piece of shit. Fuck bim

[Northern Star]

Another day, and top of the 2nd already down by 3. I can't wait for the NHL to start back up.

[Jasonbay44]

Melky is gonna be hitting over .300 when this series is over. He was hitting like .275 coming in..

[Northern Star]

I hope everyone at the game is booing the shit out of this.

[yankthis]

They need to convert videos of these games to black and white, and change the soundtrack to jumpin' ragtime piano. Like the old Charlie Chaplin and Keystone Cops stuff.

[Northern Star]

I think you can start warming up the pen now...

[Station 13]

Price, Cueto, Zimmermann sign all of them.

[Jasonbay44]

Price, Cueto, Zimmermann sign all of them.

Porcello, Wright, Masterson, Kelly, Miley. Kill (or DFA) all of them

[Northern Star]

So I lost track of where we were in the Porcello discussion:

a) he sucks and always has
b) the Sox fucked with his delivery after the trade

[Elktonnick]

So I lost track of where we were in the Porcello discussion:

a) he sucks and always has
b) the Sox fucked with his delivery after the trade

Hannigan was going to solve Percello's problems. I guess that idea was all blown to hell.

[Jasonbay44]

I like how occasionally the white sox announcer, who is a dumb ass, calls Jackie Beadley "Blackie Bradley"

[Jasonbay44]

This is comical

[Elktonnick]

This could the worst Red Sox team since 1932. The way they are playing they could easily lose 100 games,

[Northern Star]

I like how occasionally the white sox announcer, who is a dumb ass, calls Jackie Beadley "Blackie Bradley"

dat's...racist?

[mvp 78]

So good so good so good!

[Northern Star]

I suppose it's too late in the day to tell Porcello to KEEP THE FUCKING BALL DOWN?

[Northern Star]

Sure glad Ben handed out the $80 million extension that hasn't even kicked in yet. That's smart thinking, boy.

[mvp 78]

"And Fenway stands as one" to cheer Farrell for pulling Porcello and then to booo Porcello.

[Youk Of The Nation]

I know this might be a controversial opinion, but the Red Sox are not very good this season.

[Douglas616]

I'm not sure why I subject myself to watching what is called "Red Sox baseball" this year.

[waltr]

I am totally at a loss for words. I've seen some bad Red Sox teams in my lifetime, bit I am absolutely speechless, good, bad, or indifferent on this collection. They make the BAD NEWS BEARS look like champions

[Northern Star]

So is this still inexplicable, or do most of these new acquisitions in fact suck ass?

[Northern Star]

I'd love for someone to say "Porcello isn't finishing his pitches" because I'd say the hitters are finishing them for him.

[Elktonnick]

I am totally at a loss for words. I've seen some bad Red Sox teams in my lifetime, bit I am absolutely speechless, good, bad, or indifferent on this collection. They make the BAD NEWS BEARS look like champions

I can't recall a starter as consistently awful as Porcello

[Northern Star]

Get Dombrowski on the phone. We'll take Price, but you've got to take Porcello back.

[Northern Star]

I can't recall a starter as consistently awful as Porcello

I can, but not on the Sox.

[Northern Star]

Nothing like getting to the game, paying top dollar for a ticket, getting settled in your seat and the game's over and you're taken out of it in the first couple of innings.

[Elktonnick]

I can, but not on the Sox.

I vaguely recall a starter named Jerry Stephanson who pitched back in the early sixties. He was pretty bad. But I didn't see him as often as I've seen Porcello. Kelly at least has a fastball and could be an effective short reliever. I just haven't seen any upside to Porcello

[Jasonbay44]

Fuck this dumb ass fucking third base coach. He is a fucking retard. Are you fucking kidding me?

[Spudboy]

There is another reason a 300 pound player should not be on this team. I decent athlete scores on that play.

Pitiful.

[Jasonbay44]

There is another reason a 300 pound player should not be on this team. I decent athlete scores on that play.

Pitiful.
There is no reason to send him there. There is nobody out and you are down 6-0. That is on the coach, not Pablo, who had a great AB to get on.

[Northern Star]

I vaguely recall a starter named Jerry Stephanson who pitched back in the early sixties. He was pretty bad. But I didn't see him as often as I've seen Porcello. Kelly at least has a fastball and could be an effective short reliever. I just haven't seen any upside to Porcello

There was a Pirates starter named Jimmy Anderson who had nothing on the gun and seemed to get lit up like a Christmas tree every start.

[Spudboy]

Fuck this dumb ass fucking third base coach. He is a fucking retard. Are you fucking kidding me?

Fatboy approached 3rd with enough time to score.

He just can not run as fast as expected. Not his fault though!!!!!

He will rebound next year.

[Spudboy]

There is no reason to send him there. There is nobody out and you are down 6-0. That is on the coach, not Pablo, who had a great AB to get on.

As an example, Napoli probably would have beat that throw.

The Sox need to score runs. He just is not good enough.

[Jasonbay44]

Fatboy approached 3rd with enough time to score.

He just can not run as fast as expected. Not his fault though!!!!!

He will rebound next year.
Ortiz and Hannigan wouldn't have scored there either..I don't like Sandoval a lot either and yeah he's fat but it's the 3rd base coaches job to know his players speed. Why would you send him there down 6 with no one out? This is a weekly thing that a guy gets thrown out at home with no one or one out.

[Northern Star]

There is another reason a 300 pound player should not be on this team. I decent athlete scores on that play.

Pitiful.

I want a stat on how many runs players like Papi and Hanigan and Panda cost us on the bases, verses what they make up with their bat.

[Elktonnick]

There was a Pirates starter named Jimmy Anderson who had nothing on the gun and seemed to get lit up like a Christmas tree every start.

I don't remember him but I was referring to Sox pitchers.

[Northern Star]

There is no reason to send him there. There is nobody out and you are down 6-0. That is on the coach, not Pablo, who had a great AB to get on.

Dumber than a box of rocks, but Farrell condones and encourages it.

[Jasonbay44]

It seemed like Daniel Cabrera for the Orioles was pretty consistently shitty every time I watched him play. I don't think he had a year with an era under 5 and somehow lasted quite a few seasons

[Spudboy]

Ortiz and Hannigan wouldn't have scored there either..I don't like Sandoval a lot either and yeah he's fat but it's the 3rd base coaches job to know his players speed. Why would you send him there down 6 with no one out? This is a weekly thing that a guy gets thrown out at home with no one or one out.

Very true.

However the ball was underneath the padding of the right field fence when Fatboy approached 3rd.

He had plenty of time, as the 3rd base coach saw it.

Fatboy was gassed. That does not happen to a player of his height if he weighs 40-60 pounds less.

Right or wrong call, a player should have scored on that play.

[Jasonbay44]

Dumber than a box of rocks, but Farrell condones and encourages it.

Yup, and I don't mean to blame Butterfield for every dumb base running mistake. He is an absolutely awful 3B coach and has been for a few seasons. But Hanley and a few other guys have made quite a few bad base running plays on their own without help from the 3b coach. It's been a group effort of retardation on the base paths.

[Spudboy]

Yup, and I don't mean to blame Butterfield for every dumb base running state. He is an absolutely awful 3B coach and has been for a few seasons. But Hanley and a few other guys have made quite a few bad base running plays on their own without help from the 3b coach. It's been a group effort of retardation on the base paths.

Sox base running this season has been pretty bad. Mookie has been fun to watch but even he has had a few brain farts.


Nice stroke by Nap.

[RedSoxNC84]

Great job Napoli, only 5 more to go.

[Northern Star]

Very true.

However the ball was underneath the padding of the right field fence when Fatboy approached 3rd.

He had plenty of time, as the 3rd base coach saw it.

Fatboy was gassed. That does not happen to a player of his height if he weighs 40-60 pounds less.

Right or wrong call, a player should have scored on that play.

Probably shouldn't have had that third cake before the game.

[Jasonbay44]

Very true.

However the ball was underneath the padding of the right field fence when Fatboy approached 3rd.

He had plenty of time, as the 3rd base coach saw it.

Fatboy was gassed. That does not happen to a player of his height if he weighs 40-60 pounds less.

Right or wrong call, a player should have scored on that play.
I agree with that he should have scored, but it's not a secret that Pablo is slow as shit and isn't known for his base running. I just can't think of any reason why you would send him there, especially in that situation.

[SoxHop]

This team is unbelievable...

[Jasonbay44]

While we're on the topic of Pablo being fat - the Sox gave him free reign to be a fat fuck. When he was with the Giants I remember reading he had to maintain a certain weight and take part in a certain training program, it was included in his contract, and when the Giants tried re-signing him, they wouldn't do it without that in the contract again. The Sox didn't bother including anything like that in the deal and as soon as spring training hit he already looked like he added a few pounds..

I found one article partially talking about this

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/pablo-sandoval-says-weight-regimen-contributed-to-him-leaving-giants-181734301.html

[cp176]

I agree with that he should have scored, but it's not a secret that Pablo is slow as shit and isn't known for his base running. I just can't think of any reason why you would send him there, especially in that situation.

Since they suck and aren't going anywhere anytime soon, maybe he was actually trying to send him a message that fitness still counts in some sports.

[SoxHop]

I'm trying to come up with an aspect of the game that we are good at.

[Northern Star]

You knocked the crap out of that one, JBJ

[Jasonbay44]

I'm trying to come up with an aspect of the game that we are good at.

We're a very diverse team. We have a lot of players of different races!

[NativeBostonian]

I see our favorite pitcher still can't pitch. The contract that Ben gave Porcello, might be one of the worst I've seen.

[Northern Star]

I see our favorite pitcher still can't pitch. The contract that Ben gave Porcello, might be one of the worst I've seen.

But you have to go over the average now to lock him up, because he'll be too expensive by the end of the season.

[NativeBostonian]

But you have to go over the average now to lock him up, because he'll be too expensive by the end of the season.

Too bad they didn't think that way when it came to Lester.

[Northern Star]

If anyone has actually watched tonight's game, I reckon they're bleeding from the eyeballs by now.

[yankthis]

You know your team really sucks when Napoli is the only one who can manage to ring the opposing pitcher's bell.

[yankthis]

That's right! Give two hits up to the Red Sox, both in the same inning? Get off the mound, boy! lol.

[yankthis]

Ooops I forgot to mention that it's also probably not a good idea to take a swing if you need to drop to your knees to try to reach the ball with the bat.

[BigPapi]

You have to make that jackie.

[yankthis]

OK y'all have to admit that shit was funny.

[BigPapi]

What the hell was that Ogando

[yankthis]

What the hell was that Ogando

It was pure comedy is what that was. Especially when it's topped off with the clear corridor to third.

[NativeBostonian]

Every time I check back on the game it is even worse then the last time I checked. What the fuck is going on with this team. To think, they were making some good strides before the All-Star break.

[yankthis]

OK folks hold on to your seats... this is where the Red Sox explode and score 6 runs.

[Douglas616]

OK folks hold on to your seats... this is where the Red Sox explode and score 6 runs.
How'd that work out?

[waltr]

Stephenson was the future of the RedSox, except Dick Williams didn't like him, and left him in for something like 165 pitches one hot Chicago night

[SoxHop]

The worst part of this is it gets worse and worse.......... holy crap......... what happened to this team????????????????????????

[waltr]

Gomez to Mets Haaaaamels to Rangers Wood to Dodgers and ??????to/from Red Sox

[Station 13]

woof! woof!

[Spudboy]

Our future is secure.

This team is bound for glory in 2016!!!!!!

[d-money]

Fuck you porcello. This guy's looking like the 2014 version of buchholz.

[yankthis]

How'd that work out?

They didn't follow the script lol.

[SoxHop]

Our future is secure.

This team is bound for a glory hole in 2016!!!!!!

Corrected....

[iortiz]

Fuck you porcello. This guy's looking like the 2014 version of buchholz.

Hopefully he's traded somehow. He is clogging our future.

[Thunder]

Well, those of you who said that the season was over when Buchholz got hurt were certainly right. Excluding that game, we're 3-12 since then.

[Elktonnick]

Stephenson was the future of the RedSox, except Dick Williams didn't like him, and left him in for something like 165 pitches one hot Chicago night

Jerry Stephenson sucked in 65 and 66 before Williams became sox manager in 67.

[mvp 78]

Well, those of you who said that the season was over when Buchholz got hurt were certainly right. Excluding that game, we're 3-12 since then.

It was over before then.

[a700hitter]

Glad I missed this mess tonight. Ben should lose his job solely for wasting $82 million on the bag of shit Porcello.

[Station 13]

Could an organization swimming in pile of cash like the Red Sox really send out a rotation of Buccholz, Miley, Masterson, Porcello, Kelly to begin the season? Shit need to change. Someone has to go.

[a700hitter]

Could an organization swimming in pile of cash like the Red Sox really send out a rotation of Buccholz, Miley, Masterson, Porcello, Kelly to begin the season? Shit need to change. Someone has to go.some people don't want to blame Ben and place the blame on other FO members. There are a couple of things for certain at this juncture. The rotation rolled out at the beginning of the season had very little probability of succeeding. There were no favorable metrics indicating a probability of success. This rotation was put together with a hopes and erroneous projections. They hoped the Masterson would regain his velocity. They wrongly projected that Porcello would build on his 2014 performance despite being a 4.40 bottom of the rotation pitcher over his 6 full year career. They hoped that Buch would stay healthy. They hoped that Kelly would find the missing piece. I don't know with certainty who is too blame for this collection of garbage, but it didn't build itself. The other thing that is certain is that the person or persons responsible for this mess need to find another line of work.

[Thunder]

some people don't want to blame Ben and place the blame on other FO members. There are a couple of things for certain at this juncture. The rotation rolled out at the beginning of the season had very little probability of succeeding. There were no favorable metrics indicating a probability of success. This rotation was put together with a hopes and erroneous projections. They hoped the Masterson would regain his velocity. They wrongly projected that Porcello would build on his 2014 performance despite being a 4.40 bottom of the rotation pitcher over his 6 full year career. They hoped that Buch would stay healthy. They hoped that Kelly would find the missing piece. I don't know with certainty who is too blame for this collection of garbage, but it didn't build itself. The other thing that is certain is that the person or persons responsible for this mess need to find another line of work.

By that logic, it is Ben's fault.

[a700hitter]

By that logic, it is Ben's fault.That is for the organization to decide, but they need to find the problem and fix it.

[mvp 78]

Signing Panda AND Hanley was dumb. Should have only signed one.

Not getting one top of the rotation guy was dumb.

Not moving on from Masterson when he sucked in April was dumb.

The extension to Porcello was dumb.

The bullpen was really thin considering the question marks placed into the rotation.

Firing the pitching coach was dumb.

Expecting Buch to lead the staff was dumb.

I think findamental changes need to be made which includes giving minimal player decisions to Werner and Lucchino, firing Ben, firing the entire coaching staff and moving on from a good chunk of the underperforming and injury prone vets.

[Elktonnick]

Signing Panda AND Hanley was dumb. Should have only signed one.

Not getting one top of the rotation guy was dumb.

Not moving on from Masterson when he sucked in April was dumb.

The extension to Porcello was dumb.

The bullpen was really thin considering the question marks placed into the rotation.

Firing the pitching coach was dumb.

Expecting Buch to lead the staff was dumb.

I think findamental changes need to be made which includes giving minimal player decisions to Werner and Lucchino, firing Ben, firing the entire coaching staff and moving on from a good chunk of the underperforming and injury prone vets.

What you are saying in a nutshell is: hire a proven baseball professional, give him a budget and let him do his job.

[SoxnCycles]

Signing Panda AND Hanley was dumb. Should have only signed one.

Not getting one top of the rotation guy was dumb.

Not moving on from Masterson when he sucked in April was dumb.

The extension to Porcello was dumb.

The bullpen was really thin considering the question marks placed into the rotation.

Firing the pitching coach was dumb.

Expecting Buch to lead the staff was dumb.

I think findamental changes need to be made which includes giving minimal player decisions to Werner and Lucchino, firing Ben, firing the entire coaching staff and moving on from a good chunk of the underperforming and injury prone vets.

Good luck with your last point.
This isn't the NFL. You can't just cut underperforming players.
And I doubt there are many teams lining up to take bad contracts off the Sox hands, unless they also include young, cheap, good players that we don't want to see traded.

[Kimmi]

some people don't want to blame Ben and place the blame on other FO members. There are a couple of things for certain at this juncture. The rotation rolled out at the beginning of the season had very little probability of succeeding. There were no favorable metrics indicating a probability of success. This rotation was put together with a hopes and erroneous projections. They hoped the Masterson would regain his velocity. They wrongly projected that Porcello would build on his 2014 performance despite being a 4.40 bottom of the rotation pitcher over his 6 full year career. They hoped that Buch would stay healthy. They hoped that Kelly would find the missing piece. I don't know with certainty who is too blame for this collection of garbage, but it didn't build itself. The other thing that is certain is that the person or persons responsible for this mess need to find another line of work.

Not true at all. The metrics and non-statistical arguments have been stated here before. They are legitimate arguments. They didn't work. That doesn't mean that there was little probability for them to be successful. Yes, there were risks, as there always were, but there was also a good probability that the staff would do okay. I'm not talking great, but at least good enough to be able to keep the team in most games.

[sk7326]

Could an organization swimming in pile of cash like the Red Sox really send out a rotation of Buccholz, Miley, Masterson, Porcello, Kelly to begin the season? Shit need to change. Someone has to go.

Yes. If your plan involved augmenting the defense, the offense and the bullpen to help it out. This is not a stupid strategy, we know this since a division leader today actually executed a similar-ish plan.

But the supporting elements have largely failed - and so the vulnerabilities stick out.

[Kimmi]

It was pure comedy is what that was. Especially when it's topped off with the clear corridor to third.

That was flat out embarrassing for the team.

Something like this is just inexcusablel.

[a700hitter]

Not true at all. The metrics and non-statistical arguments have been stated here before. They are legitimate arguments. They didn't work. That doesn't mean that there was little probability for them to be successful. Yes, there were risks, as there always were, but there was also a good probability that the staff would do okay. I'm not talking great, but at least good enough to be able to keep the team in most games.We will have to disagree on this point. I was aware of the arguments and stats at the time of the acquisitions, but I found them to be weak and tenous support at best. I never believed that this chance had a good probability to succeed, not even as a mediocrity.

[iortiz]

Not true at all. The metrics and non-statistical arguments have been stated here before. They are legitimate arguments. They didn't work. That doesn't mean that there was little probability for them to be successful. Yes, there were risks, as there always were, but there was also a good probability that the staff would do okay. I'm not talking great, but at least good enough to be able to keep the team in most games.
I put a lot of metrics and intangibles over and over again in order to show you why this was a horrible rotation and a bad strategy from day one. For example, you said that Porcello was a No. 2, in what planet? (you were the only one believing this based on a bad diagnosis)... and he is not even close. Some of us said that he was a No.4-5 given his career numbers. I also said that he was going to be destroyed in fenway (which was blasphemy at the time), and is actually happening.

It's good to be optimistic and all Kim, but if you want to solve a problem, first you have to accept where the problem is, otherwise the problem will be there over and over and over again, like in this team . You keep saying that the strategy and plan was/is ok. You keep saying that Porcello is still a good idea. etc.

It is not.

Hopefully this team take a new direction and strategy. That Kim, is the main problem in this team in recent years.

[Bellhorn04]

Yes. If your plan involved augmenting the defense, the offense and the bullpen to help it out. This is not a stupid strategy, we know this since a division leader today actually executed a similar-ish plan.

To me it kind of makes more sense for a team with a smaller payroll like the Royals to employ such a strategy. For a team with one of the highest payrolls to do it still seems wonky to me.

[a700hitter]

I put a lot of metrics and intangibles over and over again in order to show you why this was a horrible rotation and a bad strategy from day one. For example, you said that Porcello was a No. 2, in what planet? (you were the only one believing this based on a bad diagnosis)... and he is not even close. Some of us said that he was a No.4-5 given his career numbers. I also said that he was going to be destroyed in fenway (which was blasphemy at the time), and is actually happening.

It's good to be optimistic and all Kim, but if you want to solve a problem, first you have to accept where the problem is, otherwise the problem will be there over and over and over again, like in this team . You keep saying that the strategy and plan was/is ok. You keep saying that Porcello is still a good idea. etc.

It is not.

Hopefully this team take a new direction and strategy. That Kim, is the main problem in this team in recent years.The resistance to admitting that the strategy was flawed and the excution was even worse puzzles me. If that is the stance, do those people expect that Porcello's performance will regress and he will be a top of the rotation pitcher. If the organization places that kind of faith in him, making him the #2 again next season, they will be tossing away another baseball season.

[iortiz]

We will have to disagree on this point. I was aware of the arguments and stats at the time of the acquisitions, but I found them to be weak and tenous support at best. I never believed that this chance had a good probability to succeed, not even as a mediocrity.

I think that Kim believed what it's in your sig, and it is oks but it is time to move on.

Some of us did not drink Ben's kool aid at all.

[iortiz]

The resistance to admitting that the strategy was flawed and the excution was even worse puzzles me. If that is the stance, do those people expect that Porcello's performance will regress and he will be a top of the rotation pitcher. If the organization places that kind of faith in him, making him the #2 again next season, they will be tossing away another baseball season.

I would try to trade Porcello and Miley, but I do not see any team taking this junk.

If we keep Porcello and Miley they shall be our No. 4 and 5. We need at least 2 solid, proven and durable pitchers. I've been saying this for a while.

[SoxnCycles]

How does some that bet Porcello would have an ERA under 4.00 also state that they knew he would "get destroyed' in Fenway.

They either like taking both side of an argument so they can be right either way, or they have serious cognitive reasoning issues.

[iortiz]

Take away 2014 and make the sum. As I said, last year was a fluke year. I said that, over and over and over again.

[mvp 78]

Trading for Porcello was fine. Extending him before the season was stupid.

[iortiz]

When I see Porcello (aside 2014 and 2015, in order to be fair), I see a 4.5 pitcher, but in the ALE and in fenway, I see a 5 ERA pitcher. Meaning "could be destroyed"

[Spudboy]

For those that do not believe that a run should have been scored last night, here is our illustrious manager on the matter:

"Farrell said that even though there were no outs at the time and the Sox trailed by six runs, he understood why third-base coach Brian Butterfield elected to send Sandoval.

"Where the ball was picked up -- recognizing nobody was out -- where the ball was picked up in relation to where he was on the basepaths, that's a run that should score," said Farrell, who asserted Sandoval had passed the halfway point between second and third when right-fielder Avisail Garcia picked up the ball."

This is what I tried to convey. Forget that Butterfield may or may not be good at his job and that a green light with the score 6-0 and no outs is a bad idea. A game ready athlete scores on this play. Fatboy is not game ready.

[mvp 78]

Good luck with your last point.
This isn't the NFL. You can't just cut underperforming players.
And I doubt there are many teams lining up to take bad contracts off the Sox hands, unless they also include young, cheap, good players that we don't want to see traded.

If they ate money, they could move anyone. Should have DFA'd Napoli weeks ago. Also, trade Pedroia.

[BigPapi]

Trading for Porcello was fine. Extending him before the season was stupid.

Exactly.

[iortiz]

Trading for Porcello was fine. Extending him before the season was stupid.

I never liked that trade, BUT.... I said, well If their plan is giving him a No 4-5 role it will be acceptable, since at the time I expected the addition of a couple of arms, which never happened.

Instead they gave him the No. 1-2 slot and not only that, they gave him an extension without a single pitch in red sox uniform.

yes, it was really, really stupid.

[iortiz]

How does some that bet Porcello would have an ERA under 4.00 also state that they knew he would "get destroyed' in Fenway.

They either like taking both side of an argument so they can be right either way, or they have serious cognitive reasoning issues.
What? I think that you are the one that have cognitive reasoning issues.

All of my bets were that Porcello would finish with an over 4 ERA, Hell, I was willing to to put the bar at 4.5, but I did not see that necessary since some of you were so damn sure that he was a under 4 ERA guy. LOL

Now, the time to collect is coming.

[SoxnCycles]

If they ate money, they could move anyone. Should have DFA'd Napoli weeks ago. Also, trade Pedroia.

And that money is that much less you can spend on guys to replace them.
you DO know you'll have to replace them, right?

I agree with your Napoli point.
As for Pedroia, let me know when you can find a GG second baseman that hits .290 and will take 13 mil next year.
I get it, you don't like players that go all out every time, but you're high.

[SoxnCycles]

What? I think that you are the one that have cognitive reasoning issues.

All of my bets were that Porcello would finish with an over 4 ERA, Hell, I was willing to to put the bar at 4.5, but I did not see that necessary since some of you were so damn sure that he was a under 4 ERA guy. LOL

Now, the time to collect is coming.

I wasn't referring to you.
Try to keep up...

[mvp 78]

And that money is that much less you can spend on guys to replace them.
you DO know you'll have to replace them, right?

I agree with your Napoli point.
As for Pedroia, let me know when you can find a GG second baseman that hits .290 and will take 13 mil next year.
I get it, you don't like players that go all out every time, but you're high.

I'd like a 2b that could play all year without nagging injuries. He's overpaid and overrated.

[SoxnCycles]

I'd like a 2b that could play all year without nagging injuries. He's overpaid and overrated.

Really easy to say.
Not easy to do.

Yeah, he's overrated by everyone in baseball.

But you, of course...

[a700hitter]

What? I think that you are the one that have cognitive reasoning issues.

All of my bets were that Porcello would finish with an over 4 ERA, Hell, I was willing to to put the bar at 4.5, but I did not see that necessary since some of you were so damn sure that he was a under 4 ERA guy. LOL

Now, the time to collect is coming.When someone is insulting you, they should try to get the facts straight before they hurl the insult. LOL!! I love it when that happens. Intelligence issues.

[SoxnCycles]

When someone is insulting you, they should try to get the facts straight before they hurl the insult. LOL!! I love it when that happens.

And if they comment on posts they supposedly can't see, they're morons.

[Kimmi]

The resistance to admitting that the strategy was flawed and the excution was even worse puzzles me. If that is the stance, do those people expect that Porcello's performance will regress and he will be a top of the rotation pitcher. If the organization places that kind of faith in him, making him the #2 again next season, they will be tossing away another baseball season.

Because the strategy was not flawed, nor was the execution. It didn't work. There is no way to sugar coat that. When a strategy doesn't work, you fix it and try something different.

[a700hitter]

Because the strategy was not flawed, nor was the execution. It didn't work. There is no way to sugar coat that. When a strategy doesn't work, you fix it and try something different.if the strategy was a good strategy and not flawed, why should they try something else?

[Kimmi]

Trading for Porcello was fine. Extending him before the season was stupid.

Hindsight is 20/20.

There was no reason not to expect Porcello to be a solid pitcher for us. If he had pitched well and the Sox lost out on him like they did with Lester, we would never hear the end of it. The FO took a good calculated risk and lost. So far.

[Kimmi]

For those that do not believe that a run should have been scored last night, here is our illustrious manager on the matter:

"Farrell said that even though there were no outs at the time and the Sox trailed by six runs, he understood why third-base coach Brian Butterfield elected to send Sandoval.

"Where the ball was picked up -- recognizing nobody was out -- where the ball was picked up in relation to where he was on the basepaths, that's a run that should score," said Farrell, who asserted Sandoval had passed the halfway point between second and third when right-fielder Avisail Garcia picked up the ball."

This is what I tried to convey. Forget that Butterfield may or may not be good at his job and that a green light with the score 6-0 and no outs is a bad idea. A game ready athlete scores on this play. Fatboy is not game ready.

Had that been Papi or Hanigan that got thrown out at the plate, would you still be blaming the players?

[Kimmi]

if the strategy was a good strategy and not flawed, why should they try something else?

Because it didn't work.

That doesn't mean it wasn't a sound strategy.

[a700hitter]

Because it didn't work.

That doesn't mean it wasn't a sound strategy.that just doesn't make sense. A good process doesn't get abandoned because of some bad results.