Mulder Traded To...

[Yanksin2010]

The cardinals.

[Soxfan#1]

Link?

[BoSox Rule]

Top right of http://espn.go.com/mlb

[yankeessuck013]

any chance of us going after Zito now?

maybe for hanley?!

[RedSoxRooter]

Damn. Wasn't expecting that at all. Wow.

[YanksHater213]

Originally posted by yankeessuck013@Dec 18 2004, 07:45 PM
any chance of us going after Zito now?

maybe for hanley?!
hhahhahahahahaha, hell no. there is no way theyll screw themselves over that badly

[Soxfan#1]

Stupid move by the a's. Mark my words this will com bak too haunt them.

[yeszir]

Wow, the big 3 has all but vanished in a period of two days. Completely unexpected really.

[yeszir]

ESPN says the deal is:

The Oakland Athletics continued to wheel and deal Saturday, sending starting pitcher Mark Mulder to the St. Louis Cardinals for pitchers Danny Haren, Kiko Calero and catcher Daric Barton, ESPN's Peter Gammons has learned.

[Gertie]

I'm sorry, but I really can't see what Beane was thinking here. Haren is young and OK, as is Colero, but the catcher is a no-name guy, and Mulder is worth significantly more in my eyes. There's no way he IS going to trade Zito now... is there?

[CrespoBlows]

Haren is good, and Calero is good too. I don't know too much about them, maybe Zenny can enlighten us.

[Zenny]

I actually really like this trade for Oakland.

1) Mulder is overrated, getting more expensive and has a troublesome hip. His 4.43 ERA is wholly average.
2) Haren has a very good arm, is only 24 and has had nice peripheral stats at all levels.
3) Kiko Calero is a significant bullpen upgrade which allows them to non-tender some of the older, expensive guys (Chad Bradford, etc.) or move them on for some prospects.
4) Daric Barton is not just some no name. Just because you haven't heard of him doesn't mean that he sucks. He had a 66/44 BB/K ratio last year which is nearly unheard of to get that kind of amazing plate discipline out of a 19 year-old. Not to mention he hit over .300 (that's for you guys who can't look past BA/HR/RBI) with 23 doubles and 13 homeruns. That's with more power coming because he's only 19. He's likely not going to stay at catcher (or, if Dan Johnson works out as a 1B, in the A's organization), but he's going to be useful as a future regular for the A's (even potential All-Star) or as great trade bait.

All of Beane's Big 3 pitchers have had declining peripheral stats over the last few years. They've been allowing more runners on base (hits and walks) and striking out fewer people.

Beane got a fantastic package out of another overrated player. I'd love to see them move Zito along for guys like Erik Bedard, Hayden Penn and John Maine from Baltimore to make sure that the Orioles continue to suck for another decade.

[Gertie]

OK, I just got pwn3d by Zenny.

[Zenny]

Originally posted by Gertie@Dec 18 2004, 09:57 PM
OK, I just got pwn3d by Zenny.
I tend to do that. :D

[stocker323]

Thank God for Zenny. Without Zenny or Rotoworld, I wouldn't even know who half of these prospects are.