Tex-Mil

[youkilis rules]

Milwaukee sends:

C, Ivan Rodriguez (4.5 gold, $7million)
DH, Travis Hafner (4.5 gold, $4.2million)

Texas sends:

2b, Alfonso Soriano (4.0 gold, $12.5 million)
SP, Brad Hennessey (4.5 blue, MLC)
SP, Jerome Gamble (3.5 blue, MLC)

[DeadManNy91]

i confirm 4 sure

[Yanks in 05]

This deal can not go through, Soriano can not be traded this year....

[youkilis rules]

Yea he actually can. ACL's post said... QUOTE

"6) Once you sign a Free Agent, he cannot be traded until the start of the season, no questions asked."

Therefore the trade DOES go through. Thank you.

[Yanks in 05]

And where is that?

http://www.talksox.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2353 says otherwise

[youkilis rules]

http://www.talksox.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2320

idiot.

[CrespoBlows]

No we take the status quo, which Bonds said

No trading FA's until the Amatuer draft.

How about the moderators vote on the rule change?

Not to mention this trade is grossly unfair

[ang2124]

UGHH YOU CANNOT TRADE SORIANO UNTIL THE DRAFT then trade him

[Yanks in 05]

Yeah and this deal is pretty unfair no matter if you can trade or not.

[stocker323]

Well I know that at least one of my deals have involved a newly signed FA and it got passed, so I am sure that others have been passed too. So this one should also pass.

[youkilis rules]

Thank you stocker for having some sense. Guys the rule is clearly stated. There is no argument.

[stocker323]

Well the rule states that all FA's can't be traded until the June 1, but you either don't let any FA signings be traded or let them all go through, not some of each, and since my trade went through this should go through.

[yagmaster]

I think this is blatantly unfair. Who else agrees?

[Shadow29]

I do in the sense that Hennessey is worthless. Hes 25 and isnt nearly developed. Hes gonna trun to crap very soon. Gamble is also 25, but hes MLB ready so he has some value. Given the Chance,, I would definately veto it.

[Yanks in 05]

I would veto it also for what they said.

[Bonds*]

Soriano cannot be traded until June 1st.

[Yanks in 05]

Soriano cannot be traded until June 1st.
What now redsock. Whose the idiot now, you piece of sh*t

[elsrbueno]

I think this is blatantly unfair. Who else agrees?

As I understand it, the rule for trading Free Agents is what Youkilis quoted: No trading until the start of the season (which already passed).

Bonds* stated that FAs can't be traded until the draft in the MLB, but in the rules thread it states the start of the season.

If Milwaukee was in a rebuilding mode, I'd say this trade is OK because it's proven talent for prospects. HOWEVER, Milwaukee is in first place, and the fact that Milwaukee's infield is already loaded... this deal makes absolutely no sense whatsoever for the Brewers.

This might be a case where we should hear Milwaukee's reasoning for trading the best catcher in the game as well as one of the best power hitters out there for an overpriced second baseman and 2 mediocre prospects.

For the record, Hennesey's a 4.0, not a 4.5

[Yanks in 05]

Els, no matter what he says, theres no way to say it should not be vetoed, Hennesy will not develop and Soriano is overated. And Hafner and Ivan or studs. Nuff said.

[CrespoBlows]

Ok els just owned the brewers right there

[stocker323]

Soriano cannot be traded until June 1st.

I acquired Alex Gonzalez who signed with the Cards in the offseason, and no one complained about that.

[Bonds*]

I acquired Alex Gonzalez who signed with the Cards in the offseason, and no one complained about that.
That's because Alex Gonzalez sucks and it was easier for you to sneak it by everybody without us noticing.

Not to mention there are about 4 alex gonzalezs

[youkilis rules]

There's no way you can allow the Alex Gonzalez trade through and not this one. It is the same exact thing. You can't enforce a rule only when you want to. No, now that it's been broken once, it is done. In terms of whether this trade is fair or not, it is absolutely fair. I don't see how you people can say Soriano is bad. Last time i check a .300 hitting 2bwith 30 HR, 100 RBI and 60 SB isnt bad.

[CrespoBlows]

Pudge > Soriano
Hafner > Hennesay, Gamble

[youkilis rules]

I just want to get things straight. If we ammend this trade so it is "more fair" as has happened with other trades that have been processed, will it then go through?

[Yanks in 05]

Yeah, its bad, either way it should be vetoed.

[ang2124]

You Cant Trade Soriano Period Its Unfair And Against The Rules

[youkilis rules]

This is my position: At the time i offered soriano his contract, there was one CLEAR set of rules posted by ACL who was simming. It said at the beginning of this season new FAs could be traded. I based my contract off that. Bonds* not only didnt say anythign at that point, but waited until MUUUCH later to say anything different. I truly feel it is not right to do this to me and every other owner in the league. Not to mention the Alex Gonzalez trade has already gone through. Don't see how you can possibly allow it to happen there but not here...

[Yanks in 05]

Ok, it doesnt matter, even if it is allowed by the rules, its an unfair trade. And now the rules are in place so you cant trade him till next year.

[youkilis rules]

WEll like i said, we will adjust the trade to make it "more fair"

[Yanks in 05]

However, it will be pass the deadline for making deals with recently signed fa players. So sorry. It was a 1 shot deal.

[youkilis rules]

Rangers agree to add C Mitch Meluskey (2.5 gold), RP Gary Majewski (3.5 blue) and $1million

[yagmaster]

You don't realize, adding shitty players doesn't make it fair.

[Shadow29]

Also the fact taht this trade will not be gong through cause of teh Rule stating that Soriano cant be traded until another year and all. Jus ta ccep the facxt you cant rip this guy soff already,

[youkilis rules]

Good typing shadow. First of all, Soriano CAN be traded as that was the ONLY rule stated at the time of his signing, therefore it goes. For FAs signed AFTER Bonds* made a contrary remark, then his rule applies. And like it or not this deal is processable. Yag has something against Soriano but he is the best 2b in the leauge and puts up amazing numbers. Deal with it. This trade should go through.

[Soxfan#1]

What now redsock. Whose the idiot now, you piece of sh*t


Nice sportsmanship bitch

[Shadow29]

Good typing shadow. First of all, Soriano CAN be traded as that was the ONLY rule stated at the time of his signing, therefore it goes. For FAs signed AFTER Bonds* made a contrary remark, then his rule applies. And like it or not this deal is processable. Yag has something against Soriano but he is the best 2b in the leauge and puts up amazing numbers. Deal with it. This trade should go through.
Actually there was a rule in place before saying taht they could not be traded until after June 1st anyhow, but he said starting immediately, the new rule would take effect. So by all means this would apply to this trade. Just live with it casu ethe trade is bad anyways. Hennessey sucks ands gonna turn to crap any time now. How bout you deal with it cause you lost

[Yanks in 05]

Nice sportsmanship bitch
Read his pos at me B*tch. and also look at your team last year.

[yeszir]

Petty insults go a long way, thats for sure. Continue to resolve problems like this guys and maybe we'll cure cancer before weeks end.

[ang2124]

Stop It Texas U Cannot Trade Soriano And Ure Rippin Him Off Just Try Again Later

[youkilis rules]

Okay let's make it simple. Some people don't think this trade is fair. Some do. Let me argue my case in front of the trade council, if they fairly judge it I will accept the result and you should too.

[elsrbueno]

Can someone on the trade council please make a final, no turning back yes/no decision on this deal, then lock the thread so there isn't any more arguing?

I've heard Youkilis argue with a bunch of other GMs, but I've also yet to hear the Brewers give reasoning for this controversial deal.

[Radgeta]

Argue your case all you want. Both you and Milwaukee would be required to argue the case. If you convince the other council members to listen I will too.

[yagmaster]

Okay let's make it simple. Some people don't think this trade is fair. Some do.

I haven't read one person in favor of it.

[Radgeta]

I have discussed with the other council members (enough to veto it).


THIS TRADE IS VETOED.

[yeszir]

And this thread is locked.