May 4th @ Cleveland

[RedSox24]

Lets win one tonight what do you say?

[yawkeyway]

We better win, Lowe owns cleveland:

G GS W L SV CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA
24 3 4 1 8 1 0 53.2 39 17 14 4 12 31 2.35 0.95 .201

Davis against Boston, on the other hand, not so great:

G GS W L SV CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA
1 1 1 0 0 0 0 7.2 6 4 4 0 0 4 4.70 0.78 .207

We've scored a lot of runs off of him in the past, so I hope itll continue. Sorry the stats are a little off, but I have yet to find a good way to post them.

[RedSox24]

Man i hope your right maybe we can break out of that huge slump maybe put up 25 hits and 16 runs

[yawkeyway]

Originally posted by RedSox24@May 4 2004, 05:22 PM
Man i hope your right maybe we can break out of that huge slump maybe put up 25 hits and 16 runs
That would be alright, I guess. But it would feel to me like we were wasting all of our alloted runs for a month in one game. That wouldn't be good.

[yeszir]

The sox need to absolutely shell Davis. He's had an ERA for each of the last 3 years, consistently. He was in single A in 2002.

Going from single A to the big leagues and facing the Red Sox in two years is a big jump. Hopefully he'll falter and we can win one finally. Don't forget, including this one, there are 3 games left in the series. We cans till take 3/4, a good series by any stretch of the imagination!

[RedSox24]

all they need are some good rallies so they have faith in their bats and their team

[RedSox24]

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CRESPO ISNT STARTING!~~~~~~~~~

[Tek04]

Yes hopefully the redsox score the runners that are on base this time

[yeszir]

I don't see how the woes could possibly continue. Think about it. 12 LOB last night, 18 a few weeks ago, its pathetic if you think about it. Our batters hit, and they showed that last year.

Mueller, Manny, Millar, Ortiz. Those players alone are enough to win games. We don't need to be begging for Trot and Nomar to come back. They need to snap out of it and start hitting NOW. Manny needs to stop being friendly with the media and fans, and he needs to start hitting. I'd rather have a cold and reserved manny who occasionally doesnt run out ground balls but hits .350 with 130 RBI than the Manny we see today who has a website and talks to reporters.

They better cheer me up during this game, thats all I can say. :angry:

[Tek04]

Orscillo or Remy said it was 13 LOB last night, but they could have been wrong because you are all saying 12.

[RedSox24]

i think they had more than 18 LOB last week it was just they went 0-18 with runners in scoring posittion that one game :angry:

[YanksHater213]

the hitting has to perform tonight, no question

[RedSox24]

HERE WE GO!!

[YanksHater213]

good move by terry putting bellhorn 2nd

his obp is twice his batting average, bad but good at the same time

[RedSox24]

A HIT!!

[yagmaster]

This is the most important game of the young season.

[YanksHater213]

disagree, even though its time to break out of this slump, the most important games by far were the ones we swept in Yankees Stadium

[TheFens]

Damn. One hit sox, two hits Indians. Matt Lauten scores on Vizquel's double. What the hell. This is going to be one more of those games.

As far as importance of this one goes, it really isnt that important if you think about it. It's just a matter of momentum. I'd say the most important game was all of the ones in the yankee series at new york. It scared yankee fans, and gave us some confidence when playing against them.

Now vizquel on 3rd one out. Damn, whats going on Lowe.

[RedSox24]

OMG wtf they already scored

[ACL BoSox]

If we can just do what we did in the top of the first in a more timely fashion, we should be in for a win, if not, get out the brooms. :(

On the other side, Derek Lowe needs to pitch well tonight, his ERA is iffy, but he tends to get run support when he pitches. Lets hope so tonight!

[RedSox24]

too early to quit on them?

[YanksHater213]

Originally posted by RedSox24@May 4 2004, 06:19 PM
OMG wtf they already scored
i said the exact same thing last night

[TheFens]

Originally posted by YanksHater213@May 4 2004, 07:17 PM
disagree, even though its time to break out of this slump, the most important games by far were the ones we swept in Yankees Stadium
You beat me too it.

And Derek Lowe has TERRIBLE stats this year, I hadn't noticed. He has about 12 hits per 9 innings given up so far this year, and about 4 walks per game. He has a 4.98 ERA. He needs to return back to no-hitter form if he wants to be resigned for a lot of money by the sox.

[yeszir]

DAMN! Two runs already in the first, only one out! This is PATHETIC. Our O better take this game to break out of thei craptacularly fantastic slump. Wow. Our momentum couldn't be any lower now, it'll be a tough crawl to get back up to speed.

[RedSox24]

TAKE OUT LOWE, lowe is having a great start of a season, especially good since next year his contract hasnt been renewed

[YanksHater213]

anyone know when the last time the sox lead in a game

[RedSox24]

cant remember

[TheFens]

Originally posted by ACL BoSox@May 4 2004, 07:19 PM
On the other side, Derek Lowe needs to pitch well tonight, his ERA is iffy, but he tends to get run support when he pitches. Lets hope so tonight!
This is true, the sox have scored 7,11,3,10 runs in his outings this season. They're gonna need more runs now, as they just got ANOTHER hit. Today is not his best start for sure.

This doesnt count as bleeding for someone to stop. Its a serious wound with gushing blood. We need one big ass ace bandage to fix this thing.

[RedSox24]

cool

[yeszir]

Originally posted by YanksHater213@May 4 2004, 07:22 PM
anyone know when the last time the sox lead in a game
The sox lead by one run in the top of the 1st on may 1st at Texas. I'm pretty sure that was our last lead. That's pretty pathetic if you ask me.

[YanksHater213]

Originally posted by yeszir@May 4 2004, 06:25 PM

The sox lead by one run in the top of the 1st on may 1st at Texas. I'm pretty sure that was our last lead. That's pretty pathetic if you ask me.
agree

[RedSox24]

haha that is pathetic

[YanksHater213]

if the sox dont win the newspapers will absolutely bash them tomorrow

[RedSox24]

good first inning eh?

[YanksHater213]

at least the yankees have to face 2/3 of the big 3 (zito and mulder, along with harden)

[RedSox24]

they swept them last time

[yawkeyway]

Who cares what the newspaper says? It's long been one of Boston sports' downsides. Anything and everything gets negative coverage, and thats the main reason some players hate playing here.

Whoa, Dauber just narrowly avoided that pitch,

Anyway, I dont care what Shaughnessy says in the paper tomorrow. I care what I think, and I think that this team blows right now. I'm pissed at them, I dont need to see a writer get pissed to know what I feel.

[YanksHater213]

feel your pain

[ACL BoSox]

Normally I would say, "hey, its only two runs."

Not with the way our offense is swinging.

[RedSox24]

ha yea, last year we could say "hey its only 4 runs"

[ACL BoSox]

After I saw the first inning I got ill, so I'm watching a movie now, if anything good happens, be sure to let me know.

[YanksHater213]

Originally posted by ACL BoSox@May 4 2004, 06:37 PM
After I saw the first inning I got ill, so I'm watching a movie now, if anything good happens, be sure to let me know.
great idea, i am changing it but putting the game on yahoo gamecast, WHY WATCH THEM SUFFER?

[yeszir]

Originally posted by ACL BoSox@May 4 2004, 07:37 PM
After I saw the first inning I got ill, so I'm watching a movie now, if anything good happens, be sure to let me know.
Which movie? That makes all the difference dontchaknow. Hopefully its a good movie, where the main character makes a miraculous comeback. B)

[yawkeyway]

NO! Don't give up on them so soon! If you can't watch this you arent true Red Sox fans! How did you ever live through game 7 last year?

Plus, all is not bad. Lowe just struck out the first batter of the second inning.

[ACL BoSox]

you ever seen Donnie Darko?

[YanksHater213]

Originally posted by yawkeyway@May 4 2004, 06:40 PM
NO! Don't give up on them so soon! If you can't watch this you arent true Red Sox fans! How did you ever live through game 7 last year?

Plus, all is not bad. Lowe just struck out the first batter of the second inning.
not giving up, yahoo gamecast, its only about a batter slow, i usually use it for yankee games while watching the sox but the yanks dont play till 10. i want to get my moneys worth out of my cable

[ACL BoSox]

Even if Derek Lowe pitches perfect the rest of the way, can the sox pull out two runs to tie, and then a third to win?

It seems like two runs is asking for too much lately.

[YanksHater213]

they get the baserunners, just not the consistent 2 out hits with risp

[RedSox24]

damn it

[YanksHater213]

maybe ortizzle and mueller were 1 year wonders???

certainly hope not

[yeszir]

Originally posted by YanksHater213@May 4 2004, 07:51 PM
maybe ortizzle and mueller were 1 year wonders???

Mueller I can see as being a one year wonder, but I know he isnt. Ortiz isn't dooing poorly at all this year either. He's battin .284 with 5 homeruns. In fact, he leads the team. He got the team's only RBI last night. Ortiz is one player I'm not worried about. You know he'll snap out of it in a big way.

[YanksHater213]

Originally posted by yeszir+May 4 2004, 06:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (yeszir @ May 4 2004, 06:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-YanksHater213@May 4 2004, 07:51 PM
maybe ortizzle and mueller were 1 year wonders???

Mueller I can see as being a one year wonder, but I know he isnt. Ortiz isn&#39;t dooing poorly at all this year either. He&#39;s battin .284 with 5 homeruns. In fact, he leads the team. He got the team&#39;s only RBI last night. Ortiz is one player I&#39;m not worried about. You know he&#39;ll snap out of it in a big way. [/b][/quote]
ortizzle did come one strong at the end of may... too bad its the beginning of may

[RedSox24]

last year tell me how many homerund did ortiz have before the all-star break...10....oh yea

[yeszir]

Originally posted by RedSox24@May 4 2004, 07:58 PM
last year tell me how many homerund did ortiz have before the all-star break...10....oh yea
But the concern is that he was supposed to have fixed the kink in his batting approach that led to 10 homeruns in the first half. After he fixed that thanks to Papa Jack, he went on a tear. It&#39;s curious that this didn&#39;t carry over to this year.

It looks like Lowe has settled down a little bit now.

[RedSox24]

Yea

[YanksHater213]

tek, manny and ortizzle are carrying this offense

[YanksHater213]

OMG, DAUBER GOT A HIT, now if mccarty can get a hit with tek in scoring position that would be amazing

[YanksHater213]

OMG A RUN&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; THIS IS WHAT WE NEED&#33;

[yeszir]

Originally posted by YanksHater213@May 4 2004, 08:10 PM
OMG A RUN&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; THIS IS WHAT WE NEED&#33;
It&#39;s pathetic though that we got the run on a double play. Its kind of representative of the entire sox offense this year. The only way we can score a run is by hitting into a double play. Wow. :blink:

[YanksHater213]

it just puzzles me how we went from the best hitting team to the worst

[YanksHater213]

i dont think lowe understands that he needs to earn a new contract for next year

[RedSox24]

Now its over

[YanksHater213]

2 run deficit? was it over when it was 2-0?

[yeszir]

4-1 guys. Calm down, the game isnt lost yet. It sure is ugly, but it isnt over. Mueller is shaky now though, thats for sure.

[YanksHater213]

4-1, now its over

i think im gonna be sick :(

[RedSox24]

you mean 5-1

[roary]

6-1. With our offense, its pretty safe to say its over now. This is a shame. :angry:

A 4 run fourth so far for the tribe.

[YanksHater213]

Originally posted by yeszir@May 4 2004, 07:20 PM
Mueller is shaky now though, thats for sure.
i hope all it would take to snap him out of it is a big game

[roary]

7-1. Ouch. Dammit. Martinez is on fire for the Indians, and Lowe is going down in flames.

[RedSox24]

7&#33;

[YanksHater213]

WHEN WILL THE PAIN END&#33;&#33;&#33;

[RedSox24]

wow, there&#39;s always next season

[Tek04]

better luck tommorow :(

[YanksHater213]

Originally posted by RedSox24@May 4 2004, 07:24 PM
wow, there&#39;s always next season
the season isnt done, they just hit a rather large bump in the road

[yeszir]

Never. The Indians have succesfully batted through. The 10th man of the inning is now batting. Dinardo is warming, and he&#39;s a decent reliever at least, so that should be the clot to the Red Sox&#39;s bleeding artery.

Its so hard to watch. But only 4 men LOB so far for the sox&#33;

[YanksHater213]

WELL AT LEAST A LAUGH TO FIX THE PAIN&#33;


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[RedSox24]

i know the seasons not over but Lowe looks like he did his first year, do any of you remember his first win that year, after his 10th start

[YanksHater213]

a huge rally would wake up the bats, end this streak, and gain momentum to win tomorrow

[RedSox24]

easy to say

[dirtdogman5]

OK I&#39;m pretty pissed right now, coming home in the 7th just to turn on this crap of a game. But guys, we&#39;re acting like Orbitalex (Netsporters know what I&#39;m talking about). The sky isn&#39;t falling, the offense will be fine hopefully soon and the pitching is still awesome, despite the fact that Lowe isn&#39;t pitching like the guy Scott Boras says he is. But then again, who really is the guy Scott Boras says he is? Right now, Manny, Ortiz, and Tek are carrying the team, which is never good. Does anybody else miss Trot or Nomar? But I&#39;ll ya one thing, Lenny DiNardo has impressed me thus far. We will still 95-100 games people so lets just chill. Remember, the MFY were going through stage like this just a week ago.

[Tek04]

I heard Trots been DH&#39;ing in pawtucket...he should be back in boston soon :D

[yeszir]

Yea, the yankees were tanking like this, and now look how hot they&#39;ve gotten. It&#39;s just a matter of time until things fall into place again.

And thats good news Tek, we want trotman back asap

[RedSox24]

May 3 The Boston Globe reports Boston Red Sox OF Trot Nixon (quadriceps/disk) suffered an injury to his left quadriceps on Saturday that will further delay his return. He is expected to be limited to batting practice for at least two days before he resumes trying to play his way back from a mildly herniated disk.

[YanksHater213]

JOHNNY&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; 3 RUN JACK&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

BACK IN THE GAME

[YanksHater213]

7-6, new pitcher, ortizzle up, 1 out

[Tek04]

dont get your hopes up, bellhorne is gonna groundout and ortiz is gonna strike out :(

[yeszir]

Oh man, if they win this, wont we all feel stupid for complaining? That&#39;d be the needed spark to get us going for sure&#33;

[YanksHater213]

excuse me bellhorn then ortizzle

[Tek04]

Originally posted by YanksHater213@May 4 2004, 09:47 PM
7-6, new pitcher, ortizzle up, 1 out
bellhorne, then ortiz

[YanksHater213]

Originally posted by Tek04@May 4 2004, 08:47 PM
dont get your hopes up, bellhorne is gonna groundout and ortiz is gonna strike out :(
bellhorn will walk, ortiz will bomb one

[YanksHater213]

Originally posted by yeszir@May 4 2004, 08:47 PM
Oh man, if they win this, wont we all feel stupid for complaining? That&#39;d be the needed spark to get us going for sure&#33;
i will feel like the biggest ass in the world, looks like the hitting slump could be gone

[YanksHater213]

base hit for belllhorn, fielders choice for ortizzle

ortizzle on 1st, manny up

[yeszir]

Wow. I cant believe they didnt turn that. The sox caught a big one. Hopefully mr congeniality can get a hit now. We need a big one. B)

[YanksHater213]

fitting end...

[yeszir]

CLUTCH&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

[Tek04]

redsox come from behind and win? that never happens...man did i call that strikeout

[YanksHater213]

no, you called bellhorn to strike out

[YanksHater213]

this is why there are 162 games and not 81

[dirtdogman5]

I guess Manny can&#39;t hit two 85-90 mph straight fastballs and a hanging curveball right down the middle. Well at least they showed some signs of life. We&#39;ll get&#39;em tomorrow.

BTW- I am starting a game thread tomorrow. I have not posted one during this losing streak and I think it it time I start reversing some of this losing trend. Tomorrow&#39;s game thread is mine.

[yeszir]

Originally posted by dirtdogman5@May 4 2004, 10:02 PM
BTW- I am starting a game thread tomorrow. I have not posted one during this losing streak and I think it it time I start reversing some of this losing trend. Tomorrow&#39;s game thread is mine.
Yes&#33; No one start it&#33; Start it good and early ddm, so no one beats you to it&#33;

[RoyNHSox]

Hopefully the offensive outburst for the Sox in the 9th was a sign of something good on the horizon. But I did like the fact Francona tried to do something with the lineup. Putting Bellhorn in the 2nd spot with Mueller batting 8th was a good idea that seemed to help Mueller tonight.

If the batting remains cold why not a call up from Pawtucket? Andy Dominique or Febles come to mind...I&#39;m not saying it&#39;s necessarily going to be the solution, but why not? Can it hurt? We’ve gone through the rotation and lost all 5 games. :angry:

[RedSoxRooter]

Originally posted by dirtdogman5@May 4 2004, 08:25 PM
But guys, we&#39;re acting like Orbitalex (Netsporters know what I&#39;m talking about).
You&#39;re right. You know I&#39;m glad he freaked out. He looked so stupid and in the end was wrong, that&#39;s why I&#39;m not freaking out now...

I&#39;ll tell you what though, Bellhorn&#39;s on my Crespo list.

[ACL BoSox]

Well, the offense woke up, now lets split this series. Tonight the Sox fell short, but if they can come out like they did in the 9th, we have nothing to worry about.

BTW, the Yanks are down 3-0 in the second...

and in bad news, the Orioles won 10-3, so I think we&#39;re tied with them for the division, I might be mistaken, I don&#39;t check the standings early on in the season.

[YanksHater213]

Originally posted by RedSoxRooter@May 4 2004, 09:35 PM

I&#39;ll tell you what though, Bellhorn&#39;s on my Crespo list.
WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU WANT TO GET RID OF BELLHORN?&#33;?&#33;?&#33;?

First of all, who would play 2nd base

Second of all, he is 4th on the team in on-base percentage (.417) and 5th on the team in OPS (.750). He has the most walks on the team (27, only sox player with more walks than strikeouts besides damon), 6th on the team in RBIs (10), tied for the 3rd most runs scored (13), and has stolen 2 bases (3rd on team)

This is the exact reason why Theo is keeping Bellhorn

[yeszir]

Originally posted by ACL BoSox@May 4 2004, 10:36 PM
and in bad news, the Orioles won 10-3, so I think we&#39;re tied with them for the division, I might be mistaken, I don&#39;t check the standings early on in the season.
We&#39;re tied with the yankees and the Orioles are one back. :(