2004 All-star Selections

[YanksHater213]

AL Starters
* * *
C Ivan Rodriguez
1B Jason Giambi
2B Alfonso Soriano
3B Alex Rodriguez
SS Derek Jeter
OF Manny Ramirez
OF Vladimir Guerrero
OF Ichiro Suzuki

AL Pitchers

SP Tim Hudson
SP Ted Lilly
SP Esteban Loaiza
SP Mark Mulder
SP Kenny Rogers
SP C.C. Sabathia
SP Curt Schilling
RP Francisco Cordero
RP Tom Gordon
RP Joe Nathan
RP Mariano Rivera
RP Francisco Rodriguez


AL Reserves
* * * *
C Victor Martinez
1B Ken Harvey
1B David Ortiz
2B Ron Belliard
3B Hank Blalock
SS Carlos Guillen
SS Miguel Tejada
SS Michael Young
OF Carl Crawford
OF Matt Lawton
OF Gary Sheffield



NL Starters

C Mike Piazza
1B Albert Pujols
2B Jeff Kent
3B Scott Rolen
SS Edgar Renteria
OF Barry Bonds
OF Ken Griffey
OF Sammy Sosa
NL Pitchers

SP Roger Clemens
SP Tom Glavine
SP Livan Hernandez
SP Randy Johnson
SP Carl Pavano
SP Jason Schmidt
SP Ben Sheets
SP Carlos Zambrano
RP Armando Benitez
RP Eric Gagne
RP Danny Graves
RP Danny Kolb


NL Reserves

C Johnny Estrada
1B Sean Casey
1B Todd Helton
1B Jim Thome
2B Mark Loretta
3B Mike Lowell
SS Barry Larkin
SS Jack Wilson
OF Moises Alou
OF Carlos Beltran
OF Lance Berkman
OF Miguel Cabrera

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[Manjenson]

GO NL! :P

[YanksHater213]

the NL probably will win. maybe if we had Ortizzle starting it would be a different story

[yeszir]

Thank God Ortiz made it as a reserve :rolleyes:

[RedSoxChick19]

Hey yankshater, I'm reading the bottom of your post. Did posada really say that? :o :blink: :huh:

[YanksHater213]

yea, he said it, they showed it on sportscenter too, thats where i found it

[Tek04]

there is still a possiblity that Ortiz could start at 1st base....Giambi may sit out

[Zenny]

Originally posted by Tek04@Jul 5 2004, 12:53 PM
there is still a possiblity that Ortiz could start at 1st base....Giambi may sit out
Big Papi may have to miss the game as well:


David Ortiz was selected as a reserve for the AL All-Star team.
It will be Ortiz's first trip the mid-season classic, and a well deserved one at that. The Boston DH is tied for the league lead in homers with 22, and is leading both leagues in RBI with 76. Despite being elated on being picked to the AL team, Ortiz may have to miss the game as his wife is expecting a child any day.

[JMDurron]

Looking at the starting lineups, does anybody else wonder if the AL has a prayer?

[elsrbueno]

The AL has a prayer, because it's the All-Star game and because both teams have incredible rosters.

The NL looks like it has the advantage, but keep in mind: Unless this game is a blow-out, the starters will have very little to do with the outcome of this game.

Hank Blalock beat Eric Gagne in last year's game for the winning hit.

The disadvantage for the AL is that they have 2 STARTERS who don't even deserve to go to the All-Star game (Giambi, Jeter)

[Ortiz34]

I just wanted to make a note that Beltran isn;t really on the allstar team. He is selected as one, but he is not allowed to play. I dont really understand how that all worked out, but i think its pretty unfair.

[YanksHater213]

Originally posted by elsrbueno@Jul 6 2004, 02:56 PM

The disadvantage for the AL is that they have 2 STARTERS who don't even deserve to go to the All-Star game (Giambi, Jeter)
i half agree half dont. as much as i hate to say it, jeter deserves to be an all-star/ as much as i hate him he has been on a tear, and we just have to accept the fact that he just may be one of the greatest shortstops ever

[Tek04]

Originally posted by YanksHater213+Jul 6 2004, 07:52 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (YanksHater213 @ Jul 6 2004, 07:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-elsrbueno@Jul 6 2004, 02:56 PM

The disadvantage for the AL is that they have 2 STARTERS who don&#39;t even deserve to go to the All-Star game (Giambi, Jeter)
i half agree half dont. as much as i hate to say it, jeter deserves to be an all-star/ as much as i hate him he has been on a tear, and we just have to accept the fact that he just may be one of the greatest shortstops ever [/b][/quote]
Greatest shortstops ever? what are you smoking? his defense sucks...and hes is an above average hitter...it just so happens that his team is always good every year and hes been there for a long time

[YanksHater213]

dude, look at it from a non-red sox fan perspective. jeter is just a great player. how does he suck at fielding

Jeter- 139 errors in 1288 games
Nomar- 135 errors in 948 games
Tejada- 145 errors in 1016 games
Furcal- 104 errors in 587 games
Renteria- 167 errors in 1223 games

this proves that he is one of the best fielders in the game. end of story

see, if i was a yankee fan, i would have gotten no stats...

[elsrbueno]

dude, look at it from a non-red sox fan perspective. jeter is just a great player. how does he suck at fielding

Jeter- 139 errors in 1288 games
Nomar- 135 errors in 948 games
Tejada- 145 errors in 1016 games
Furcal- 104 errors in 587 games
Renteria- 167 errors in 1223 games

this proves that he is one of the best fielders in the game. end of story

see, if i was a yankee fan, i would have gotten no stats...

YanksHater,
Some people claim that Jeter makes less errors because he simply doesn&#39;t get to as many balls (thus, making them hits). Stats don&#39;t lie, and it seems that when Jeter gets to a ball, he rarely boots it. However, there&#39;s more to defense than just fielding percentage. Furcal in Atlanta gets to A LOT of balls that most shortstops don&#39;t even touch, and he gets a lot of his errors on the throws.....

[YanksHater213]

yes, i agree with the tough plays. when jeter gets a tough play though he usually makes the throw from what ive seen in nationally televised games of them and vs. the sox. he doesnt boot the ball or throw it away when it goes to him, unlike nomar who boots a lot of balls and thows a lot away too. just because hes a yankee doesnt mean he sucks.

[Ortiz34]

Speaking of Jeter and his fielding, who saw his "amazing" catch. I didn;t think it was all that amazing. He made a good hustle, but did he really need to go flying in the stands? Anyway, even with the flying, it still wasn&#39;t that great. I hate how on sportscenter everyone was like "No that is a true baseball player". You wanna see good fielding, look at pokey reese.

[YanksHater213]

Originally posted by Ortiz34@Jul 7 2004, 09:38 AM
Speaking of Jeter and his fielding, who saw his "amazing" catch. I didn;t think it was all that amazing. He made a good hustle, but did he really need to go flying in the stands? Anyway, even with the flying, it still wasn&#39;t that great. I hate how on sportscenter everyone was like "No that is a true baseball player". You wanna see good fielding, look at pokey reese.
AMEN&#33;&#33;&#33; i think you and i are the only ones who think that

[Ortiz34]

yeah and who say pokey&#39;s catch about two weeks ago. i was like crying. He got like 6 feet of air and just snagged that ball. That is some true fielding.

[elsrbueno]

I also think that Pokey made a good catch the inning before Jeter did, but it wasn&#39;t as highly played because Jeter is well.....Jeter.

I listen to the games on the radio (no TV) so I have to go on the emotion of the announcers. Is there a video on the web of Jeter&#39;s "amazing" catch?

[Ortiz34]

im sure there is.. go to yankees.com or mlb.com... or somtin

[Zenny]

Back to All-Stars, Big Papi Ortiz was selected to participate in the homerun derby. Unfortunately, Jason "I Have Parasites and Only 11 Homeruns All Season" Giambi was biasly selected as well.

I hope Ortiz wins and Giambi doesn&#39;t even hit one.

[Ortiz34]

yeah giambi is a homo. This is stupid, but dont worry. Giambi will do poorly, and ortiz will do really well.

[elsrbueno]

Giambi&#39;s too sick to play in games, but is going to play in the Derby?

I sense an outburst from George about his one....

[Ortiz34]

giambi will chicken out and drop out of the derby right before it. I just know it

[elsrbueno]

I hope Giambi drops out.... Even if he doesn&#39;t....he doesn&#39;t have much of a shot to win anyway...

[Ortiz34]

i kinda want to see giambi hit, and he can make a fool of himself. He will hit like no homeruns, and pull his hamstring during the homerun derby. haha

[schillingouttheks]

breaking news&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33; so close to the all star game and...GRIFFEY RIPS HIS RIGHT HAMSTRING&#33;&#33;&#33;

[Ortiz34]

yeah and isn;t he still like stuck at only 500 homeruns?

[schillingouttheks]

hahahah yeah i think he is

[Ortiz34]

Mr.500

[schillingouttheks]

i really wanted to see him in the ASG

[Ortiz34]

me too

[schillingouttheks]

oh well, im still glad i get to see lance berkman in the HR derby, hes a great addition, player of the month for may or june? i forget which one...im also happy beltran gets to play, he was the lead vote receiver for the AL back in KC, but still, hes a great player

[Ortiz34]

he deserves it

[Zenny]

Giambi is not going to participate in the HR Derby. If all goes well, maybe Ortiz will start the All-Star Game&#33;

[yagmaster]

Is there any reason that he wouldn&#39;t? (I&#39;m actually asking, not being a jerk)

[Ortiz34]

yeah if Giambi is too sick to be in homerun derby, why should he start in the game?

[element1151]

Originally posted by Ortiz34@Jul 11 2004, 05:40 PM
yeah and isn;t he still like stuck at only 500 homeruns?
501 at the all star break.

[element1151]

Originally posted by Ortiz34@Jul 12 2004, 06:46 AM
yeah if Giambi is too sick to be in homerun derby, why should he start in the game?
Because he probably wanted to rest instead of participate in a HR derby.

[Ortiz34]

umm.. dude u said that way after it happened.. ur a little late