Yankees vs. Mets - 5/20

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http://www.epochtimes.com/i6/5052218201482--ss.jpg VS http://i.cnn.net/si/2003/baseball/mlb/specials/postseason/2003/10/21/yankees.marlins.game3.ap/p1_mussina_all.jpg

http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/mlb/images/team_logos/50x50/nym.gif Petey: 5-0, 3.19
http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/mlb/images/team_logos/50x50/nyy.gif Moose: 6-1, 2.56

Epic pitching matchup with two of the best in the game on the hill today at Shea. It will probably be on FOX as their first nationally televised Saturday game (depending on your viewing area). Go Petey!

EDIT: Whoops. First pitch is scheduled for 1:20 pm.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

The Yanks have one hell of a batting lineup today.

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You are right. Lineups....

CF - Damon
SS - Jeter
1B - Giambi
3B - Rodriguez
2B - Cano
LF - Cairo
RF - Cabrera
C - Stinnett
P - Mussina (6-9...ouch)

SS - Reyes
2B - Matsui
CF - Beltran
1B - Delgado
3B - Wright
LF - Floyd
RF - Nady
C - Castro
P - Pedro

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Great play by Cliff Floyd....you want to talk about a guy having a rough start to the season

[ORS]

Take a seat, A-Rod.

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Nice throw, Slappy. E-5 #8.

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Wow, that infield is horrendous. 20 errors in their last 13 games.

[Soxfan#1]

this is a great pitching matchup.

[ORS]

Mussina's command isn't what it has been for the most part to begin the season. He's falling behind hitters early.

Wright hits another ball over Damon's head. 2-0, Mets.

[riverside sluggers]

Wow, that infield is horrendous. 20 errors in their last 13 games.

Its quite pitiful, coming in today they have had 28 errors in their first 40 games. The left side duo of Arod/Jeter have combined for 11 errors, compare that to Lowell/Gonzo at just 4.

2 errors in todays game has it now even more horrendous 30 errors in 41 games, they love racking up these mult-error games :lol:. Mark Arod/Jeter duo up now at a combined 12 errors. Arod is 2 away from his 2005 season mark of 10

[ORS]

Petey is dealing.

[Beckett95]

Wow, that infield is horrendous. 20 errors in their last 13 games.
I think right now, their outfield is worse. Miguel Cairo has no idea how to play LF, and Damon has no range left to play CF, let alone he has a shitty arm. Melky's a below average OF also.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Great AB by Mussina.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Followed by a good AB by Damon

[ORS]

Jeter did Pedro a favor by chasing on 3-1. 5 Ks through 3 for Petey.

EDIT: He's still the most fun pitcher to watch in baseball.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Despite not scoring that was a solid inning. They got his PC up to 52.

[Beckett95]

why the fuck didnt we keep Pedro. hes one of my alltime favorite players

[Beckett95]

good inning for moose

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Calling time as Pedro starts his windup, Cano? Better hope your ear pads are on tight.

[TheRivernator]

E-rod fucks up again, gets a hit when we dont need it and whiffs when we need a hit. The he airmails a throw that sets up 2 unearned runs. Fucking useless...

[Beckett95]

DelGodIt

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

thats power

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

E-rod fucks up again, gets a hit when we dont need it and whiffs when we need a hit. The he airmails a throw that sets up 2 unearned runs. Fucking useless...

Delgado is so strong....that was an incredible home run...looked like he missed it at first.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

I thought it was a can of corn. The ball just kept going.

[TheRivernator]

Can Mastui get a wrist transplant and get on the field sooner? Can sheff suck it up? Fucking team makes me ill right now. Its like watching the colombus clippers with worse pitching...

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I had a feeling it would eventually be a problem for the Yanks. A team with that many older players needed a deeper bench. They should have considered that over carrying pitchers like Tanyon Sturtze, Scott Erickson, Aaron Small...etc. Considering Torre really only focuses on three relievers anyways.

More quality players on the bench would have made more sense.

[TheRivernator]

I had a feeling it would eventually be a problem for the Yanks. A team with that many older players needed a deeper bench. They should have considered that over carrying pitchers like Tanyon Sturtze, Scott Erickson, Aaron Small...etc. Considering Torre really only focuses on three relievers anyways.

More quality players on the bench would have made more sense.

I originally thought that our rotation would take up the cross and pick it up while our hitting was on the fritz. Unfortunately, it looks like our pitchers liked the comfort....

[TheRivernator]

well, this is your chance RSN. Looks like we'll have sheff out for at least 2 more weeks. Posada will be back tomorrow probably, who knows how long it takes rj to get back to form, etc, etc, etc. This wont be the situation for the entire yr, most likely. This is your chance to break away...

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Feel free to run to the bag Giambi and feel free to pick the ball up Mussina. What a joke

[TheRivernator]

fucking shitshow

[ORS]

Think I could buy the rights to this game from MLB and market it as a How Not to Play Defense instructional video?

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

WHOA!!!! Did Giambi just run to the bag himself?

[riverside sluggers]

wow 3 error game, 31 in first 41 games. The Royals have somehow transferred their defensive prowress to the 2006 Yankees.

[NomahsHammSammich]

HHAHAH! Whose your daddy yankees? I love it..man the Yankees really do suck.. What a total embarrassment they are. 200 million for that>? Ouch!

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Terrible AB by Jeter

[Beckett95]

Petey's owning right now

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Followed by abother bad AB this time by Giambi. Thats how you make a pitcher work guys.

[NomahsHammSammich]

Beckett and Sox will widen the gap tonight.This will not even be a race by AUG..Sox will be 10-plus games ahead..so far and away the better team it is hardly quantifiable..and our sparkplug Coco is coming back....not to mention Fat Boy Wells...ahhh goo times.

[Beckett95]

Giambi is the most retarded 1st baseman in baseball

[Beckett95]

a-rod cant field, is an awful baserunner, and is struggling hitting

HE SUCKS

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Lmao 6 combined errors. Tough baseball game to watch.

[TheRivernator]

we are letting stinnett hit? Posada could gut it out here. Man, this team is totally horrible..

[TheRivernator]

fuck this pathetic team, they are not the yankees, fuckin A...

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Its ok to swing the bat Stinnet. Thank god Pedro is done now.

[NomahsHammSammich]

http://espn.go.com/i/mlb/profiles/players/65x90/4875.jpg

Owned... you fuckin bitches.

[RedSoxRooter]

I love Petey. Damn right, standing ovation at Fenway. Damn right. 3-0!

[TheRivernator]

Its ok to swing the bat Stinnet. Thank god Pedro is done now.

They could bring Lima into the game and he'd dominate this shitty lineup. Fuckin torre, pinch hit there, you have to be fucking kidding me....

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

The ball must really be carrying today.

[TheKilo]

LOL, you know things are bad when Cliff Floyd goes yard.


4-0.

[TheRivernator]

its over, Cash, do something, this team as currently constructed cannot beat good teams, period....

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

They could bring Lima into the game and he'd dominate this shitty lineup. Fuckin torre, pinch hit there, you have to be fucking kidding me....
I was listening to the pre-game on the radio and according to Waldman, Posada could pinch hit. So IDK what Torre was doing.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

its over, Cash, do something, this team as currently constructed cannot beat good teams, period....
This team eariler in the season could wear down good pitching. This line up couldnt hit (as you said) Jose Lima.

[NomahsHammSammich]

oh..cmon RIV..what more do you want? They already spent $200 mill? You want MORE salary? You fucking Yankee fans are priceless.. lol.. You'd think you would be satisfied with 200-plus..million.

[ARod2212]

Gotta get to this bullpen.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

what the hell are you doing Melky?

[TheKilo]

Melky being Melky.

[NomahsHammSammich]

Gotta get to this bullpen.


I thought you said Melky was a good outfielder? LOL. He turns singles into doubles on a regular basis. So we have aterrible fielder...and a singles hitter in Melky? Wow..he is impressive..lolol. He couldn;t even start at Pawtucket..face it..he is a JOBBER!

[NomahsHammSammich]

Melky being Melky.


LOL!

[NomahsHammSammich]

http://espn.go.com/i/mlb/profiles/players/65x90/4875.jpg

[TheKilo]

Gotta get to this bullpen.


Sanchez to Wagner? Good luck.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Good start

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Terrible.

[mtbykr]

Watching pedro pitch today was just fun. He is such a smart pitcher adapting to his loss in velocity. Let's hope the pen can keep it together!

[TheKilo]

Duaner Sanchez has got good stuff.

[NomahsHammSammich]

hah..this is so enjoyable. The Yankees just look hapless... so flat.. the USS Yankee is sinking fast.

[TheRivernator]

hah..this is so enjoyable. The Yankees just look hapless... so flat.. the USS Yankee is sinking fast.

didnt you say that last yr too? It is may bro...

[TheKilo]

hah..this is so enjoyable. The Yankees just look hapless... so flat.. the USS Yankee is sinking fast.


To be fair, this is the best the Mets have been in a while.


And as I type, error #4.

[Coco's Disciples]

4th error...

[yankeessuck013]

is that 4 errors?....wow

[NomahsHammSammich]

The BAD NEWS YANKEES continue to fumble.

[yankeessuck013]

mccarver is a tool.

[Dana Kiecker]

fuck this pathetic team, they are not the yankees, fuckin A...

Oh wow...

Not only do you root for a team that is the anti-Christ to everything this board stands for , but you also have bailed out on them on May 20th. So let me get this straight... Because " your " team sucks they are no longer a Yankees team

Which makes you a fuckin loser on two counts..

What a pathetic fan boy you are...

(Yes Im trolling in the Yankees Gamethread, and just like McDonalds... Im lovin it)

[yeszir]

Im lovin it
Another baby shower, our fifth in a row,
We can't help but feel obligated to go,
Present after present oohing and aahing,
You call this a luncheon? I'M STARVING!
Finally its over will you pick up the pace?
Theres a McDonalds 5 minutes from this place!

Badabababaaaa...

[TheKilo]

Oh wow...

Not only do you root for a team that is the anti-Christ to everything this board stands for , but you also have bailed out on them on May 20th. So let me get this straight... Because " your " team sucks they are no longer a Yankees team

Which makes you a fuckin loser on two counts..

What a pathetic fan boy you are...

(Yes Im trolling in the Yankees Gamethread, and just like McDonalds... Im lovin it)


Well duh.

[NomahsHammSammich]

Oh wow...

Not only do you root for a team that is the anti-Christ to everything this board stands for , but you also have bailed out on them on May 20th. So let me get this straight... Because " your " team sucks they are no longer a Yankees team

Which makes you a fuckin loser on two counts..

What a pathetic fan boy you are...

(Yes Im trolling in the Yankees Gamethread, and just like McDonalds... Im lovin it)

right on Dana! What a pathetic mo-fo! LOLOLOLOL>..(pauses to tak a breath)..7 errors! LOLOLOL.. The Yankees are a joke. They still don't get it. What a collossal waste of resources they are..

[DrewDaGreat]

They weren't his daddy today...

[NomahsHammSammich]

enter Sandman!!!!!!!! Billy Wagner!

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enter Sandman!!!!!!!! Billy Wagner!
That's baseball plagiarism....

Uh, Timbo, Billy's been using that song since his Houston days, well before Rivera.

[Coco's Disciples]

Another baby shower, our fifth in a row,
We can't help but feel obligated to go,
Present after present oohing and aahing,
You call this a luncheon? I'M STARVING!
Finally its over will you pick up the pace?
Theres a McDonalds 5 minutes from this place!

Badabababaaaa...
:clap:

[NomahsHammSammich]

could McCarver be any more of a Yankee Nut-Suckler? My god..he is shameless. He has a never ending stock of excuses for the Suck-ass Yankees.. How bout this Tim... They are not very good.

[NomahsHammSammich]

this UMP is fuckin terrible..that was strike 3.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

WOW What an AB by Melky

[NomahsHammSammich]

WOW What an AB by Melky

Yeah..punch his ticket for Cooperstown..he is a jobber.

[NomahsHammSammich]

Wagner is gonna blow this.

[empirestrikesback26]

At least they made wagner work a bit in the 9th, but I don't believe in moral victories. Yankees lose.

[empirestrikesback26]

Wagner is gonna blow this.
No he won't, don't worry about it.
4-2.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

WOW Wagner falling apart.

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I'm still wondering what Duaner Sanchez did wrong to not pitch the 9th with a 4-run lead? Wags can't can't find the zip code of the plate.

[DrewDaGreat]

What a bum he is today! They got to get him out!!!

[empirestrikesback26]

Did I say 4-2? I meant 4-3.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

lmao Wagner fell apart.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

I'm still wondering what Duaner Sanchez did wrong to not pitch the 9th with a 4-run lead? Wags can't can't find the zip code of the plate.
I was suprised also. Willie has done this before and been killed by Met fans. They wont forget this one esp if Damon gets this run in.

[NomahsHammSammich]

this will only make it hurt more when the Yankees lose in the bottom of the 9th.

[Coco's Disciples]

damon is going to ground into a force out at the plate, then jeter k's

[riverside sluggers]

Wagner, you suck. Nice job Willie Randolph of waiting too long. It was obvious to replace him after the 4 pitch walk to a backup catcher.

[redsoxrules]

looks like another great start by pedro wasted

[Dana Kiecker]

Over/under on the amount of minutes it takes for the Riv to come back on the bandwagon if the Yankees pull this off?

[empirestrikesback26]

Tie game.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Tie Game!

[DrewDaGreat]

Damn, thought they were gonna turn two...way to blow and incredible start by Pedro Billy!

[Dana Kiecker]

I got 2 minutes

[empirestrikesback26]

Lol, way to ruin pedro's dominating start.

[ORS]

Over/under on the amount of minutes it takes for the Riv to come back on the bandwagon if the Yankees pull this off?
Minutes? More like microseconds.

[yankeessuck013]

Over/under on the amount of minutes it takes for the Riv to come back on the bandwagon if the Yankees pull this off?

20 seconds

I'll take the under.

[Coco's Disciples]

ughhhh...mets gonna win it in the 9th anyway

[CalvnHobs6]

GODDAMNIT STUPID FUCKING METS.
Sorry, what a great game for 8 innings.

[empirestrikesback26]

I've been saying jeter is clutch, well this would be the ideal situation to put on another clutch hit., but he is mr. 27th out....

[NomahsHammSammich]

RIV is a clown. This will be sweeter when the Mets win in the bottom half..against MO..no less. LOL. This is the kind of loss that kills..you fought back with a 4 spot in the 9th, only to lose.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

I think Torre will go with Proctor not Rivera(If the game is tied). We will see.

[redsoxrules]

pedro should at least have 7 wins so far this year if it wasent for fucking wagner

[empirestrikesback26]

Why ya swinging at that junk?

[NomahsHammSammich]

Jeter Swallows...AND chokes.

[empirestrikesback26]

Oh no, 5-4 mets win soon. Still, awesome comeback showing wagner's true colors.

[Mr Crunchy]

billy wagner is a fraud who throws 100
a rich mans kyle farnsworth

walk 3 hit 1 after that tremendous team effort??
delgado and floyd should ass rape him in the shower

[Optimist]

Holy crap. Did that just happen?

[empirestrikesback26]

Jeter Swallows...AND chokes.
At least take a full swing.

[riverside sluggers]

Oh no, 5-4 mets win soon. Still, awesome comeback showing wagner's true colors.

Who knew that Tom Gordon has turned out to be the better bet in the past offseason? :dunno:

[Dana Kiecker]

Captain Intangibles Mr. Clutch didnt come through?

Im absolutely not shocked at all.

The rest of you clowns living in a Gingerbread House down on Marshmallow lane in the town of Fantasyland need to wake the fuck up!!

[yeszir]

I know objectivity isn't exactly a FOX trademark, but could these two be any farther up the yankees' butts?

[Optimist]

I know objectivity isn't exactly a FOX trademark, but could these two be any farther up the yankees' butts?

Yeah, they're biased in favor of the Yankees; that's why they spent some time going through how the Mets are the better organization.

[riverside sluggers]

I know objectivity isn't exactly a FOX trademark, but could these two be any farther up the yankees' butts?

"The Yankees are sure going to miss having Sturtze around in their bullpen"

;)

[Dana Kiecker]

McCarver comment on Jeters " Elegant gait" yet?

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

I know objectivity isn't exactly a FOX trademark, but could these two be any farther up the yankees' butts?
I disagree, they have made many remarks about the Yankee payroll. The one thing that pissed me off was when McCarver made refrence to the minor leagues and how the Mets "Have better depth". Just because you have Lastings Millidge it doesnt mean you have better depth. Baseball America ranks the Mets 28th while the Yankees are ranked 17th. Who has better depth?

[Optimist]

A Rod chokes...again.

[riverside sluggers]

hail the conquering hero, A-clutch

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I disagree, they have made many remarks about the Yankee payroll. The one thing that pissed me off was when McCarver made refrence to the minor leagues and how the Mets "Have better depth" Just because you have Lastings Millidge it doesnt mean you have better depth. Baseball America ranks the Mets 28th while the Yankees are ranked 17th. Who has better depth?
Depends on context. If he's talking about better depth to cover problems this year, then he's right since their top talent is at a higher level. None of the Yankees top-10 have played above single A before this season.

[Coco's Disciples]

mets have 1-2-3 coming up, reyes-matsui-beltran, right?

[TheRivernator]

Depends on context. If he's talking about better depth to cover problems this year, then he's right since their top talent is at a higher level. None of the Yankees top-10 have played above single A before this season.

Duncan did...

[ORS]

Duncan did...
That's right, I forgot about Duncan. Point remains though.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Depends on context. If he's talking about better depth to cover problems this year, then he's right since their top talent is at a higher level. None of the Yankees top-10 have played above single A before this season.
Well the Mets only have 2 prospects really. Its Millidge and Pelfrey. Pelfrey is in double A just like Philip Hughes. So really hes only basing the Mets having better depth on Millidge.

[empirestrikesback26]

Mets win.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Bonds has hit #714 guys

[riverside sluggers]

gamebreak: Barry Bonds has #714 :thumbdown

[empirestrikesback26]

I know objectivity isn't exactly a FOX trademark, but could these two be any farther up the yankees' butts?
Wait are you serious? I guess I'm looking stupid even asking. Of course not.

[empirestrikesback26]

Just when things can't get any worse, bonds ties ruth.

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Well the Mets only have 2 prospects really. Its Millidge and Pelfrey. Pelfrey is in double A just like Philip Hughes. So really hes only basing the Mets having better depth based on Millidge.
I'm not trying to defend him because I think he's an idiot tool, but in that context he would be right. There was speculation that Pelfrey could be ready to come up if needed by this Sept. Milledge is better than Melky, Reese, Thompson, et al.

[empirestrikesback26]

Beltran takes strikes 3, called a ball. Fuckin joke of a call.

[empirestrikesback26]

Nice job mo.

Hey a little bit of moby dick right before they went to break.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

I'm not trying to defend him because I think he's an idiot tool, but in that context he would be right. There was speculation that Pelfrey could be ready to come up if needed by this Sept. Milledge is better than Melky, Reese, Thompson, et al.
If the Yankees wanted to they could bring up Hughes by SEPT. Hes a very polished RH and if you read many of the chats that BA has most of those guys feel Hughes is better then Pelfrey. If his point was that the Mets could get someone like Willis with Millidge and Pelfrey yes its true but he said that then took it to another level and said the Mets have better depth then the Yankess. I understand what your saying...that the points are linked. I viewed it as two seperate points with the depth point taking a shot at the Yankee farm system. When you look at it I would take about 4 yankees prospects over the next prospect after Pelfrey.

[Coco's Disciples]

i hate barry bonds. i hope he doesnt pass aaron.

[empirestrikesback26]

Melky blows.

[empirestrikesback26]

Acts like a bunt I guess.

[YanksHater213]

wow way to waste pedro's gem today, billy wagner.

[empirestrikesback26]

Andy Phillips homer.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Oh Andy!

[empirestrikesback26]

Good enough.

[empirestrikesback26]

McCarver: What do you do with Rivera? Do you leave him in there or put in proctor?

Did they change the rules today, now pitchers who have been taken out can come back in?
Fucking Dumbass

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

McCarver: What do you do with Rivera? Do you leave him in there or put in proctor?

Did they change the rules today, now pitchers who have been taken out can come back in?
Fucking Dumbass
Lmao I was thinking the same thing

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

That ball is cutting today. Rivera has claimed 2 bats in this inning.

[TheRivernator]

Yankees Win, Thahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Yankees Win

[empirestrikesback26]

Talk about domination. Holy shit. Mo is back!

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Rivera punished them. What a win.

[empirestrikesback26]

Another ridiculous win by the yankees, seems like they play better when they're not expected to win.

[ARod2212]

Sanchez to Wagner? Good luck. Thanks buddy.

[empirestrikesback26]

Wright- Own3d
Floyed- Got struck out twice lol
Nady- Own3d

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Thanks buddy.
lmao :lol:

[TheRivernator]

Mariano was vintage. Man, 4K's in 2 innings and only baserunner reached on a punch and judy single to right. Encouraging to say the least. Unfortunately, Mo and Proctor are probably out of action for tomorrow and Farns is questionable with his back injury. Lets see how Colter does....

[Buckeye]

wow way to waste pedro's gem today, billy wagner.

HUGE waste. Another game handed to the Yankees on a silver platter.:thumbdown

[Optimist]

Amazing game. Two great comeback wins in one week? I love it.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Lets see how Colter does....
Its about time he gets a shot.

[empirestrikesback26]

HUGE waste. Another game handed to the Yankees on a silver platter.:thumbdown
I disagree about the texas win, they had to earn that one with the complete shit lineup. This on the other hand was handed to us.

[Optimist]

HUGE waste. Another game handed to the Yankees on a silver platter.:thumbdown

Oh give me a break.

[Buckeye]

Amazing game. Two great comeback wins in one week? I love it.

Come on. It was an exceptionally poorly played game. Seven errors. Ugly. Very Ugly.

[Optimist]

Come on. It was an exceptionally poorly played game. Seven errors. Ugly. Very Ugly.

Sometimes the best games are the ugly ones.

[Buckeye]

Please. The Yankees took this one, it wasn't handed to them.

No way. It was a GIFT. Plain and simple. Walks and a hit batter. That's what extended the game. The game never should have gone to extra innings.

[TheRivernator]

HUGE waste. Another game handed to the Yankees on a silver platter.:thumbdown

on the contrary, the yankees tried to hand this game to the mets, only to have them hand it back to us. We had 4 errors and they had 3. BTW, Julio cannot hold a baserunner to save his life...

[Buckeye]

Oh give me a break.

My point exactly. The Mets gave your Yankees a huge break.

[Buckeye]

Mariano was vintage.

Agreed. He was throwing some good stuff today.

[ARod2212]

Hahahha, I can't wait to see how bitter Met fans are if Buckeye is how a Sox fan is acting.

Great game to win, this should spring some confidence for a couple of weeks.

[jsinger121]

Papelbon would have shut the door that wagner could not close.

[Buckeye]

on the contrary, the yankees tried to hand this game to the mets, only to have them hand it back to us. We had 4 errors and they had 3. BTW, Julio cannot hold a baserunner to save his life...

Keep spinning like that Riv and you'll spin yourself right into the ground.

I agree about Julio, BTW. He never could keep runners in place.

[Buckeye]

Hahahha, I can't wait to see how bitter Met fans are if Buckeye is how a Sox fan is acting.

I'm not bitter at all. I'll acknowledge a good win when it's deserved. This one was not deserved.

[Dana Kiecker]

We had 4 errors and they had 3. BTW, Julio cannot hold a baserunner to save his life...


Whats this "WE" shit Riv...

You bailed on your team today.. Your a fuckin loser and from now on your just a Yankee fan wanna-be.

Which is like being the worst piece of shit in a pile of shit.

[TheRivernator]

Whats this "WE" shit Riv...

You bailed on your team today.. Your a fuckin loser and from now on your just a Yankee fan wanna-be.

Which is like being the worst piece of shit in a pile of shit.

dana, I can tell you are a frustrated little pisser, seriously go fuck yourself. You never get mad at your team? You are lying if you say you dont, so seriously, eat shit....

[Buckeye]

EVERYONE. Is there a particular reason that we can't conduct discussions -- even very heated ones -- without filling every post with profanity??? Geez.

Base language does nothing to help make a point. Never has. Never will.

[Dana Kiecker]

fuck this pathetic team, they are not the yankees, fuckin A...
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Yah ,... Im not the asswipe on record as saying this.


Sure I get mad at certain players, what have you, but, I would NEVER sell MY team down the river ( get it sweet cheeks?) like you did today.

If I was a Yankee fan on this board I would get as far away from your sorry sellout ass as possible..

[ARod2212]

I'm not bitter at all. I'll acknowledge a good win when it's deserved. This one was not deserved. In the first 9 innings, both teams were equally as bad, hence the 4-4 score. In innings 10-11, the Mets were bad and the Yankees weren't. They deserved to win, by virtue of scoring more runs.

It's an ugly game, but don't kid yourself. The Yankees deserved to win the game.

[empirestrikesback26]

Papelbon would have shut the door that wagner could not close.
So would mo. He never has mental break downs like that.

[Dana Kiecker]

Base language language does nothing to help make a point. Never has. Never will.


I see your point point.

Maybe if you sprinkled in a little grammar grammar.

Who brought the smug school marm marm ?

[Buckeye]

It's an ugly game, but don't kid yourself. The Yankees deserved to win the game.

I'm not kidding myself at all. Their win today was a gargantuan G-I-F-T.

[empirestrikesback26]

EVERYONE. Is there a particular reason that we can't conduct discussions -- even very heated ones -- without filling every post with profanity??? Geez.

Base language language does nothing to help make a point. Never has. Never will.
Holy dumb fuck, you're fucken right. No need for that shit.

[Buckeye]

I see your point point.

Maybe if you sprinkled in a little grammar grammar.

A double dose of good grammar is never a bad thing... even when it's a typo. :D

[Pinstripe_Pride]

I'm not kidding myself at all. Their win today was a gargantuan G-I-F-T.
I think I'm missing something, because what I saw must have been different from what you saw. The Yanks actually showed some life. Proctor was lights out. Mo made them look silly. Phillips got a clutch basehit when the Mets line-up couldn't. I'm pretty sure the Mets didn't just lie down in their positions from the 9th inning on, so please explain to me how this was a gift.

[empirestrikesback26]

The walk and hit batsmen were the only gifts, and that was far from the whole game.

[CrespoBlows]

If the Yankees wanted to they could bring up Hughes by SEPT. Hes a very polished RH

Yeah, that's not happening. The Yankees would be stupid if they were to bring up a 20 year old kid, and thrust him into a pennant race.

The kid hasn't thrown more than 100 innings in one year, and you want him to potentially double that by extending his season an extra two months? That's insane, and a bullet-proof way to severely injure an already injury prone kid.

[Dana Kiecker]

The only way Hughes will be in a pennant race is if he gets traded to Toronto

[CrespoBlows]

When you look at it I would take about 4 yankees prospects over the next prospect after Pelfrey.

You probably don't know enough about the Mets farm system to make that point. You can bring up Tabata, but the Mets have a more complete version of him in Fernando Martinez. Phillip Humber is another potential dominating starting pitcher, and even Alan Soyer could make a splash at the big league level this year. Oh, but that's OK the Yankees have Colter Bean who throws an 86 mph fastball and is 29 years old. The rest of the Yankee farm system is in the low minors, we really can't tell what their future is, until they start hitting more advanced pitching.

[ARod2212]

Yeah, that's not happening. The Yankees would be stupid if they were to bring up a 20 year old kid, and thrust him into a pennant race.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7683

?

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Yeah, that's not happening. The Yankees would be stupid if they were to bring up a 20 year old kid, and thrust him into a pennant race.

The kid hasn't thrown more than 100 innings in one year, and you want him to potentially double that by extending his season an extra two months? That's insane, and a bullet-proof way to severely injure an already injury prone kid.
I said if they wanted too I never said I would. His injury situation has been blow way out of proportion. Hes had one legit injury and that was "slight" tendinits last year. 2 Years ago they shut him down cause he stubbed his toe in a hotel room.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

You probably don't know enough about the Mets farm system to make that point. You can bring up Tabata, but the Mets have a more complete version of him in Fernando Martinez. Phillip Humber is another potential dominating starting pitcher, and even Alan Soyer could make a splash at the big league level this year. Oh, but that's OK the Yankees have Colter Bean who throws an 86 mph fastball and is 29 years old. The rest of the Yankee farm system is in the low minors, we really can't tell what their future is, until they start hitting more advanced pitching.
Tabata>Martinez ask any expert. Talk to me about Humber and his dominence when he recovers from TJ surgery and Solar is 26 years old and shouldnt be considered a prospect. Shit he signed with the Mets in 04 and didnt even pitch last season. Has he even pitched this season?

[empirestrikesback26]

The only way Hughes will be in a pennant race is if he gets traded to Toronto
Don't fall into the Dan Shaunessy trap.

[CrespoBlows]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/profile?statsId=7683

?

Bad comparison.

Craig Hansen was a college trained pitcher labeled by everyone as "closest to the majors." Hansen also had a different role than Hughes does, correct? Oh, and as I recall, Hansen didn't exactly sparkle in his brief cameo.

[CrespoBlows]

I said if they wanted too I never said I would. His injury situation has been blow way out of proportion. Hers had one legit injury and that was "slight" tendinits last year. 2 Years ago they shut him down cause he stubbed his toe in a hotel room.

He's had arm problems, right? Think through this. A 20 year old kid, who hasn't thrown a whole lot of innings. You want to double his workload, and give him the ball in a pennant race? An injury is bound to happen. Hughes will be a great pitcher, but rushing him isn't going to help.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

He's had arm problems, right? Think through this. A 20 year old kid, who hasn't thrown a whole lot of innings. You want to double his workload, and give him the ball in a pennant race? An injury is bound to happen. Hughes will be a great pitcher, but rushing him isn't going to help.
Again I never said bring him up. I did however say if the Yankees wanted to call him up in SEPT after he has those innings logged they could. Hes clearly moving fast and will prob be considered for the roto in 07. 1 slight case of tendinits doesnt concern me.

[CrespoBlows]

Tabata>Martinez ask any expert. Talk to me about Humber and his dominence when he recovers from TJ surgery and Solar is 26 years old and shouldnt be considered a prospect. Shit he signed with the Mets in 04 and didnt even pitch last season. Has he even pitched this season?

Actually, I did ask an expert, (Jim Callis) and he agreed with me.

From Callis', ESPN chat. I found the question on this website. http://ingeorgewetrust.blogspot.com/2006/05/moose-terful.html


pete, nyc: tabata or fernando martinez?
Jim Callis: Fernando Martinez

As for Soler, this is his first professional baseball season. (Cuban defector) I think he probably gets a break, due to the relative lack of miles on his arm.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Actually, I did ask an expert, (Jim Callis) and he agreed with me.

From Callis', ESPN chat. I found the question on this website. http://ingeorgewetrust.blogspot.com/2006/05/moose-terful.html



As for Soler, this is his first professional baseball season. (Cuban defector) I think he probably gets a break, due to the relative lack of miles on his arm.
Jim Callis is a noted Yankee hater. Hard for me to rank Solar over any Yankee pitching prospects since this is his first season. So again do the Mets have better depth then the Yankees? This is what the conversation surrounds. BA does not think so. They rank them 28th and the Yankees 17th.

EDIT: Preakness time! brb in a couple of minutes

[CrespoBlows]

Again I never said bring him up. I did however say if the Yankees wanted to call him up in SEPT after he has those innings logged they could. Hes clearly moving fast and will prob be considered for the roto in 07. 1 slight case of tendinits doesnt concern me.

You're missing my point, entirely. Hughes HAS NEVER logged those innings before. Any inning he throws after 80, would be his longest season as a pro. Now, you want him in the Bronx, after he has probably logged 120 innings. You figure you probably want him throwing another 20 IP for the rest of the season, and about 10 IP in the playoffs. That's 150 IP for a kid who hasn't thrown over 80 in a season. That's too much of a jump for a kid that young. More than likely, he's going to get hurt.

C'mon, don't kid yourself, the Yankees would probably go to you, before they would call up Hughes.

[TheRivernator]

Hughes had the same thing that most kids get when they come up, dead arm. Hansen had it last yr and I dont think anyone here is calling him injury prone. The yankees are just a little more cautious than most...

[TheRivernator]

You're missing my point, entirely. Hughes HAS NEVER logged those innings before. Any inning he throws after 80, would be his longest season as a pro. Now, you want him in the Bronx, after he has probably logged 120 innings. You figure you probably want him throwing another 20 IP for the rest of the season, and about 10 IP in the playoffs. That's 150 IP for a kid who hasn't thrown over 80 in a season. That's too much of a jump for a kid that young. More than likely, he's going to get hurt.

C'mon, don't kid yourself, the Yankees would probably go to you, before they would call up Hughes.

Hughes wont get the call this yr. BUT, I expect him to make his debut next season when pussano pusses out again....

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

C'mon, don't kid yourself, the Yankees would probably go to you, before they would call up Hughes.
Again I would'nt call him up. Why cant they call him up when the rosters expand and sit him on the bench?

[CrespoBlows]

Jim Callis is a noted Yankee hater. Hard for me to rank Solar over any Yankee pitching prospects since this is his first season. So again do the Mets have better depth then the Yankees? This is what the conversation surrounds. BA does not think so. They rank them 28th and the Yankees 17th.

EDIT: Preakness time! brb in a couple of minutes

All right, I'm conceding victory to you. I would have missed the Preakness completely if it wasn't for that last edit.

[ARODMVP]

hah..this is so enjoyable. The Yankees just look hapless... so flat.. the USS Yankee is sinking fast.

Yea good call on that you fucking classless boston red sock piece of garbage. You're nothing but a pathetic loser who probably has never had a girlfriend before in his life. HAHAHAH...YANKEES WIN BITCH!! GO AHEAD AND CRY ABOUT IT YOU LITTLE FAGGOT!!! HAHAHA

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

All right, I'm conceding victory to you. I would have missed the Preakness completely if it wasn't for that last edit.
lol it was a pretty uneventful one. Barbero jumped out of the gate and it looked like he hurt itself.

[YanksHater213]

Yea good call on that you fucking classless boston red sock piece of garbage. You're nothing but a pathetic loser who probably has never had a girlfriend before in his life. HAHAHAH...YANKEES WIN BITCH!! GO AHEAD AND CRY ABOUT IT YOU LITTLE FAGGOT!!! HAHAHA
haha YOU calling someone classless garbage and a faggot.

thats pretty ironic.

[CrespoBlows]

Yea good call on that you fucking classless boston red sock piece of garbage. You're nothing but a pathetic loser who probably has never had a girlfriend before in his life. HAHAHAH...YANKEES WIN BITCH!! GO AHEAD AND CRY ABOUT IT YOU LITTLE FAGGOT!!! HAHAHA

:lol:

This is probably a joke, because people don't talk like this.

[CrespoBlows]

lol it was a pretty uneventful one. Barbero jumped out of the gate and it looked like he hurt itself.

I don't often feel for animals, but that sucks for Barbaro. He went from potential Triple Crown winner, and retiring to a life of sex, to probably being put down. (due to the break)

[mtbykr]

Yea good call on that you fucking classless boston red sock piece of garbage. You're nothing but a pathetic loser who probably has never had a girlfriend before in his life. HAHAHAH...YANKEES WIN BITCH!! GO AHEAD AND CRY ABOUT IT YOU LITTLE FAGGOT!!! HAHAHA


Welcome to talksox--looks like another quality member:rolleyes:

[yeszir]

Yea good call on that you fucking classless boston red sock piece of garbage. You're nothing but a pathetic loser who probably has never had a girlfriend before in his life. HAHAHAH...YANKEES WIN BITCH!! GO AHEAD AND CRY ABOUT IT YOU LITTLE FAGGOT!!! HAHAHA
Peace out.

[a700hitter]

The ball must really be carrying today.Iwas on the field during Mets BP today and Floyd put on a show. I am not surprised that he went Yard.

[Buckeye]

Holy dumb fuck, you're fucken right. No need for that shit.

Wow, that was immature. But it was a fabulous illustration of my point, nonetheless.

[ORS]

...... is a noted Yankee hater.
That excuse never gets old, does it?

[a700hitter]

The game was a defensive mess. The Yankees are showing that they are just a terrible defensive team. Their IF defense is a joke. The Mets matched them with the bad D, but Pedro shut down the Yankee lineup without breaking a sweat. He can do that to any lineup that has only 5 good hitters. If it had not been for the errors, including his own, he may have been able to go 9. Pedro and the Mets had the victory earned. The two homers had nothing to do with the errors. Moose just gives up a lot of dingers. Wagner gave away the game in the 9th. He imploded against the bottom of the Yankee lineup. He could've grooved fastballs to those bums and escaped with the win. He was a complete disaster. By the 25 pitch mark it was obvious that he had nothing left.

[TheRivernator]

The game was a defensive mess. The Yankees are showing that they are just a terrible defensive team. Their IF defense is a joke. The Mets matched them with the bad D, but Pedro shut down the Yankee lineup without breaking a sweat. He can do that to any lineup that has only 5 good hitters. If it had not been for the errors, including his own, he may have been able to go 9. Pedro and the Mets had the victory earned. The two homers had nothing to do with the errors. Moose just gives up a lot of dingers. Wagner gave away the game in the 9th. He imploded against the bottom of the Yankee lineup. He could've grooved fastballs to those bums and escaped with the win. He was a complete disaster. By the 25 pitch mark it was obvious that he had nothing left.

Here's the thing, we should have won the game yesterday and they should have won the game today. We're even now. Here's the deal man, our defense will go through phases, as will our pitching. Once sheff comes back and Posada plays on a daily basis, the offense will be the only constant that wont be phasic. Until then, our offense is hit or miss. Since our series with you guys, our starting pitching has been in shambles (sans moose and wang), our bullpen has been unreliable (aside from Proctor), our defense has been horrendous, we have been tremendously fragile, and our offense has been pathetic sans one game and the 9th from today (even though we didnt hit the ball). Taking that into consideration, we are 3-3 since that series. Sheff will be back within 2 weeks (assuming he doesnt milk this for an extension the greedy fuck). Posada will start tomorrow. Damon will eventually get back on track, ARod will put up his numbers at some point, and Giambi wont hit under .160 for the month. We'll be fine...

[ORS]

Here's the thing, we should have won the game yesterday and they should have won the game today. We're even now. Here's the deal man, our defense will go through phases, as will our pitching. Once sheff comes back and Posada plays on a daily basis, the offense will be the only constant that wont be phasic. Until then, our offense is hit or miss. Since our series with you guys, our starting pitching has been in shambles (sans moose and wang), our bullpen has been unreliable (aside from Proctor), our defense has been horrendous, we have been tremendously fragile, and our offense has been pathetic sans one game and the 9th from today (even though we didnt hit the ball). Taking that into consideration, we are 3-3 since that series. Sheff will be back within 2 weeks (assuming he doesnt milk this for an extension the greedy fuck). Posada will start tomorrow. Damon will eventually get back on track, ARod will put up his numbers at some point, and Giambi wont hit under .160 for the month. We'll be fine...
Do you have to say this in the mirror to make yourself really believe it?

[CrespoBlows]

Who cares? Beckett went deep.

[a700hitter]

Here's the thing, we should have won the game yesterday and they should have won the game today. We're even now.Why should the Yankees have won on Friday, because their Ace was throwing BP? That just makes no sense. He old and he sucks. You should be frightened every time he takes the hill.

[TheRivernator]

Do you have to say this in the mirror to make yourself really believe it?

nope. The fact is, things couldnt really get much worse and we are still treading water....

[YANKEESRULE]

yea i guess you can say the samr about schilling he ain't looking to swift either

[CrespoBlows]

yea i guess you can say the samr about schilling he ain't looking to swift either

Sorry, but I have no clue on what the fuck you just said.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

That excuse never gets old, does it?
If you have read his chat wraps or articles over the years you would know what I'm talking about. As a matter a fact about a couple of months ago he got very upset because Yankee fans were bombarding him with questions about Tyler Clippard.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

I don't often feel for animals, but that sucks for Barbaro. He went from potential Triple Crown winner, and retiring to a life of sex, to probably being put down. (due to the break)
Ditto, they said career ending prob. They have to get the radiographs(acording to the vet after the race) back to see if its life ending. Terrible day at Pimblico.

[a700hitter]

yea i guess you can say the samr about schilling he ain't looking to swift either


Schilling, Curt INN 58.3 Wins 6 Losses 2 K 52 BB 9 H 57 ERA 4.166 WHIP 1.131
Johnson, Randy INN 57.7 Wins 5 Losses 4 K 41 BB 18 H 62 ERA 5.619 WHIP 1.387

Yea, this looks like a close comparison.:rolleyes:

[empirestrikesback26]

Who cares? Beckett went deep.
I would say thats impressive, but David Wells almost went deep off Zambrano one year. Ridiculous things happen.

[schillingouttheks]

No. You're not saying it because you're a Yankee fan.

[empirestrikesback26]

No. You're not saying it because you're a Yankee fan.
I congratulated him in the GT, just not calling it impressive because if Well can almost go deep off an ace like Zambrano, anyone can.

[ORS]

If you have read his chat wraps or articles over the years you would know what I'm talking about. As a matter a fact about a couple of months ago he got very upset because Yankee fans were bombarding him with questions about Tyler Clippard.
I've read him, and it's obvious he's no Yankee fan. That said, he makes his money as a baseball analyst. I'll give his objectivity the benefit of the doubt since it doesn't do him any good to be subjective. I made that comment because it is common for Yankee fans to try and discredit any analysis that doesn't favor their guy as biased.

I didn't catch what he said about Clippard, got a link?

[irishsoxphan]

damn you billy wagner. hold a freakin' lead!!!!

you're turning into mariano out there!

and I do feel real bad for that horse. Not a huge fan of horse racing, or any racing of animal. If you want to run on your own, thats fine but being forced to by another animal isn't exactly my idea of humane.

sad sad story.

[Youk Of The Nation]

being forced to by another animal isn't exactly my idea of humane


Humans: Sentient
Horses: Not

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

I've read him, and it's obvious he's no Yankee fan. That said, he makes his money as a baseball analyst. I'll give his objectivity the benefit of the doubt since it doesn't do him any good to be subjective. I made that comment because it is common for Yankee fans to try and discredit any analysis that doesn't favor their guy as biased.

I didn't catch what he said about Clippard, got a link?
Look under ESPN baseball america chat wrap archives. It was sometime during August of last season. That said while I dont think the entire world hates the Yankees I just find it disrectpectful for people that are supposed to be professionals to say and write things that are biased. I remember last season Jayson Stak called the Yankees garbage pickers for picking up guys like Shawn Chacon. Not only is it disrespectful toward the Yankees but Stark is also calling Chacon garbage. Dayn Perry is another one. He just wrote an article about how Babe Ruth is overrated.

[CrespoBlows]

and I do feel real bad for that horse. Not a huge fan of horse racing, or any racing of animal. If you want to run on your own, thats fine but being forced to by another animal isn't exactly my idea of humane.

Fuck you. You ruined it. I refuse to have sympathy for any animal ever again. I will now ingest three meals that consist of meat tommorow just to spite you.

[CrespoBlows]

Look under ESPN baseball america chat wrap archives. It was sometime during August of last season. That said while I dont think the entire world hates the Yankees I just find it disrectpectful for people that are supposed to be professionals to say and write things that are biased. I remember last season Jayson Stak called the Yankees garbage pickers for picking up guys like Shawn Chacon. Not only is it disrespectful toward the Yankees but Stark is also calling Chacon garbage. Dayn Perry is another one. He just wrote an article about how Babe Ruth is overrated.

Perry made a pretty good point. I don't think Ruth was overrated, but Perry does make a convincing argument, though.

As for Clippard. Read the whole chat. A Yankee fan compared Tyler Clippard to Mike Mussina, and Callis, (rightfully) ridiculed it. He was then swarmed by massive amounts of hate questions on why Tyler Clippard isn't the best prospect of all time.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Perry made a pretty good point. I don't think Ruth was overrated, but Perry does make a convincing argument, though.

As for Clippard. Read the whole chat. A Yankee fan compared Tyler Clippard to Mike Mussina, and Callis, (rightfully) ridiculed it. He was then swarmed by massive amounts of hate questions on why Tyler Clippard isn't the best prospect of all time.
Well clearly Clippard wont be Mussina. I think the guy was comparing his "skill set" to a poor mans Mussina. Again hes a professional I dont think ridiculing was right and I also think in the prosess he insulted Clippard as a prospect. He made him sound like another Colter Bean.

[ORS]

I went to the archives and they are only for ESNPInsider subscribers, so I can't see the chats.

I know that ESPN has a Sox bias in the minds of Yankee fans, but Callis doesn't work for them. He works for Baseball America, one of the best and most objective baseball scouting publications out there. Just because he doesn't bleed pinstripes doesn't mean is analysis is wrong. And, besides, we are talking about his comparison of two kids (literally). There's plenty of ball to be played before any real judgement can be made on either of these two, IMO.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

I went to the archives and they are only for ESNPInsider subscribers, so I can't see the chats.

I know that ESPN has a Sox bias in the minds of Yankee fans, but Callis doesn't work for them. He works for Baseball America, one of the best and most objective baseball scouting publications out there. Just because he doesn't bleed pinstripes doesn't mean is analysis is wrong. And, besides, we are talking about his comparison of two kids (literally). There's plenty of ball to be played before any real judgement can be made on either of these two, IMO.
I dont need experts to bleed pinstripes for me to agree with them. I agreed with them when they said the Yankees screwed up by passing on Hansen. I agree with you on the kids. They are both 17 years old. There is a ton of baseball ahead of them.

[ARod2212]

Fuck you. You ruined it. I refuse to have sympathy for any animal ever again. I will now ingest three meals that consist of meat tommorow just to spite you. Meat tastes like Murder. And murder tastes good.

[TheRivernator]

I think ESPN is trying to get away from the late 90s sentiment. In the late 90s, ESPN was all over the yankees jock, and rightfully so. I think a lot of non-yankee fans got a bit upset and now there is a significant anti-yankee sentiment on ESPN, sans Olney, who himself isnt as much of a homer as Gammons is. Gammo really got me the other day when he was making a list of which rookies were likely to come up midseason and make an impact when he picked 4 guys and the top 2 were red sox, hansen and lester, and both are not likely to even come up to the bigs this yr in a big time role. And, in the same piece, he picked the most improved player of the AL as Wily Mo, when Alex Rios was a more deserving player. His homerism is hilarious as he will make predictions at the beginning of the yr completely shunning the sox, then he will point out how grea they are the entire season.

[CrespoBlows]

Meat tastes like Murder. And murder tastes good.

:lol: