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jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 11:03 AM
Bedard vs Igawa.

Should be an interesting game. I should be posting for most of it.

Optimist
04-07-2007, 11:31 AM
A nice clean win please!

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 11:32 AM
a win is a win.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 11:37 AM
EDIT:

Steve Trachsel is starting for the Orioles. This may be the longest game in the history of baseball!!!

yankees228
04-07-2007, 11:44 AM
Alright, lets just get a win today. I'm really looking forward to seeing Igawa.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 12:03 PM
I am too. Igawa has some serious stuff. Should be a fun one.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 12:11 PM
Igawa gets the flyout. Thus far has only thrown 88mph fastballs.

2 down.

Nice fastball to Markakis. Thus far, no breaking stuff.

Ump missed that call. Full count on Markakis and then it leads to a homer. This umpire sucks balls.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 12:14 PM
Jeter makes a nice play on a Tejada grounder. Yankees down 1-0 after half of 1.

yankees228
04-07-2007, 12:16 PM
I think the 2-2 pitch was a bit low. Also, I don't know why the continue to throw fastballs to markakis on the outside part of the plate. He showed he can really hit those.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 12:18 PM
Cano does a sucky job as the leadoff man, swinging at a 1-0 pitch at his eyes and flies out to CF.

Youk Of The Nation
04-07-2007, 12:19 PM
In about two seasons, Markakis is going to be slamming about 45 HRs.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 12:19 PM
jeter stings one to CF 2 down.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 12:20 PM
In about two seasons, Markakis is going to be slamming about 45 HRs.

yeah he will. Kid can rake. 90 mph fastball on the outside corner from a lefty and he hits it out to LF.

Youk Of The Nation
04-07-2007, 12:21 PM
He had the highest batting average after July or August last season. I dont remember which. If he had started off the season better, he couldve won Rookie Of The Year.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 12:22 PM
Abreu works a walk.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 12:22 PM
if we dont murder trachsel today, torre should be fired.

yankees228
04-07-2007, 12:23 PM
Cano really should not be hitting leadoff. He is not patience and not fast. He would probably be much more effective batting where he usually bats.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 12:24 PM
AROD HOMER!!!

that was a fucking BOMB.

Youk Of The Nation
04-07-2007, 12:26 PM
Trashel.

yankees228
04-07-2007, 12:27 PM
A-Rod's really swinging the bat well to start the year.

ORS
04-07-2007, 12:29 PM
A-Rod's really swinging the bat well to start the year in innings 1-5 or when the game is in hand.
Fixed.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 12:29 PM
Huff broken bat single on 0-2. Cmon Igawa.

a700hitter
04-07-2007, 12:29 PM
Huff=Yankee killer

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 12:30 PM
Fixed.

just about to do the same thing, lol.

ORS
04-07-2007, 12:30 PM
I'm not watching, but I predict at least two Millar foul hot-shots this AB.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 12:30 PM
And Igawa has lost the zone.

a700hitter
04-07-2007, 12:30 PM
Jeter makes a nice play on a Tejada grounder. Yankees down 1-0 after half of 1.It was a routine groundball

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 12:31 PM
Millar singles to CF. Our rotation looking better and better by the at bat. FUCK!

a700hitter
04-07-2007, 12:32 PM
In about two seasons, Markakis is going to be slamming about 45 HRs.He showed some serious opposite field power. Impressive.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 12:33 PM
DONT THROW A COCKSHOT RIGHT HERE IGAWA!!

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 12:33 PM
what the fuck? Patterson loads the fucking bases. GODDAMN IT.

a700hitter
04-07-2007, 12:34 PM
Now we will see if the kid has cajones.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 12:35 PM
Igawa has officially lost the zone. Another slugfest, sigh.

a700hitter
04-07-2007, 12:36 PM
Bottom of the order He should get out of it

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 12:41 PM
what the fuck?

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 12:42 PM
FUCK FUCK FUCK

Optimist
04-07-2007, 12:43 PM
Pathetic.

I feel like I'm watching a damn Royals minor league team.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 12:43 PM
If I were Igawa right here, I'd put one in Markakis' ear.

a700hitter
04-07-2007, 12:44 PM
Sweet. Bust up Igawa.

RedSoxRooter
04-07-2007, 12:44 PM
nice. heheheee. 5-2. And Iggy's at 43 pitches. Bullpen's gonna burn baby burn!

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 12:44 PM
there should be an official apology to the fans for this garbage. Cmon George, get homo Rubenstein to apologize to us.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 12:45 PM
another error.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 12:45 PM
this team sucks right now.

a700hitter
04-07-2007, 12:46 PM
Terrible fielding by Igawa. He looks like he is going to have a heart attack.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 12:48 PM
Terrible fielding by Igawa. He looks like he is going to have a heart attack.

I would too if my 2nd baseman loafed after a pop up like that. This team has no idea what they are doing on defense.

Optimist
04-07-2007, 12:48 PM
Wow, if I was there I'd probably get up and leave about now.

RedSoxRooter
04-07-2007, 12:48 PM
2ip/5runs/49pitches/error. Poor lil guy.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 12:48 PM
Wow, if I was there I'd probably get up and leave about now.

I'd start throwing shit on the field.

yankees228
04-07-2007, 12:50 PM
That was a bad break with Mora, but he simply has no command with runners on base. Hopefully this is not a sign of things to come from this staff. By the way, Jeter really looks lost defensively right now.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 12:50 PM
yeah he does. This is about as bad I have seen a yankee team start a season.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 12:53 PM
time to start a fight.

with Michael Kay. I hate listening to this guy.

yankees228
04-07-2007, 12:54 PM
This could get really ugly, considering the bullpen is very tired, and Igawa may not be long for this game. Should be interesting to see how Torre plays this game out. Especially with Rasner going tomorrow there is a good chance he won't last long either.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 12:55 PM
I would burn Igawa out right here and tell him he is going at least 5 no matter what he does.

RedSoxRooter
04-07-2007, 12:55 PM
time to start a fight.

with Michael Kay. I hate listening to this guy.

Here's the thing I don't understand about Kay. Everyone hates him. Opposing team's fans really hate him. Yanks fans hate him. Nobody likes him. How is he still there?

RedSoxRooter
04-07-2007, 12:56 PM
I would burn Igawa out right here and tell him he is going at least 5 no matter what he does.

You can't kill your 46 million dollar investment on his first day. :lol:

yankees228
04-07-2007, 12:56 PM
yeah he does. This is about as bad I have seen a yankee team start a season.

What's most concerning is the fact that the starting pitching looks absolutely horrible. I realize Wang's not here, but still. Even that pitch right there, to Huff, was not too close to where it was supposed to be.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 12:57 PM
Here's the thing I don't understand about Kay. Everyone hates him. Opposing team's fans really hate him. Yanks fans hate him. Nobody likes him. How is he still there?

I have no idea. He is untouchable for some reason. I would love to see him jumped on national tv.

yankees228
04-07-2007, 12:57 PM
Fortunate there.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 12:59 PM
What's most concerning is the fact that the starting pitching looks absolutely horrible. I realize Wang's not here, but still. Even that pitch right there, to Huff, was not too close to where it was supposed to be.

as it stands, Igawa is a 4 or a 5. I like his stuff a lot, but like Wake or anyone who has control issues, he will be hit or miss. Right now we are relying on him to be a stopper. That is never something good. Our bigger concern is getting Pettitte and Mussina going, which I think they will once they get above freezing.

BTW, 0-2 and he hits Patterson. You have to be fucking kidding me.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 01:00 PM
hey Kei, get the out and forget about the runner!!

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 01:02 PM
single by Gomez, 1st and 3rd. And Kei sucks.

yankees228
04-07-2007, 01:02 PM
Too much focus and Patterson and not enough focus on Gomez.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 01:03 PM
trade Kei?? just kidding.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 01:04 PM
yesterday Henn was the BP bitch. Someone has to take the yoke today. I think Bruney.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 01:05 PM
WHERE DID THAT MISS??? That crossed at the knees.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 01:05 PM
there ya go Gay Igawa.

RedSoxRooter
04-07-2007, 01:05 PM
67 pitches. What's his pitch limit?

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 01:06 PM
hopefully 100. We need 5 out of him.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 01:11 PM
and we are being dominated by Trachsel. Kill me now.

a700hitter
04-07-2007, 01:14 PM
time to start a fight.

with Michael Kay. I hate listening to this guy.Kay is an arrogant obnoxious ass.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 01:15 PM
no control. This guy reminds me of a lefty, thinner, slower pitching version of the fat toad.

a700hitter
04-07-2007, 01:17 PM
no control. This guy reminds me of a lefty, thinner, slower pitching version of the fat toad.Wow! Three innings in the ML and you are equating him with the Fat Toad.

RedSoxRooter
04-07-2007, 01:17 PM
yeesh. This is hard to watch on Gamecast. How many first pitch strikes has he thrown all day??

a700hitter
04-07-2007, 01:18 PM
He might be worse than the fat toad.

ORS
04-07-2007, 01:18 PM
Between Igawa's Bad News Bears routine and Trachsel, this game could take 5 hours.

Mora. LOL.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 01:18 PM
and this one is over. Burn this fuck and burn him good.

RedSoxRooter
04-07-2007, 01:19 PM
The Morabino!

Youk Of The Nation
04-07-2007, 01:19 PM
Fat Toad?

Ponson?

Optimist
04-07-2007, 01:19 PM
...how long would it take someone to get to the Bronx from Scranton / Wilkes-Barre?

Youk Of The Nation
04-07-2007, 01:20 PM
...how long would it take someone to get to the Bronx from Scranton / Wilkes-Barre?

In the Boss' private jet, 20 minutes. :lol:

RedSoxRooter
04-07-2007, 01:21 PM
Those first pitch balls are killing him. And the second pitch balls are not helping either. lol.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 01:21 PM
I honestly dont see how Hughes or Clippard could be any worse.

a700hitter
04-07-2007, 01:22 PM
Cashman is on the phone with Clemens' agents.

Youk Of The Nation
04-07-2007, 01:22 PM
Sheffield just launched one at Kauffman.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 01:23 PM
btw, Ross Ohlendorf is pitching like shit right now.

RedSoxRooter
04-07-2007, 01:26 PM
Cashman is on the phone with Clemens' agents.

I think Clemens wants to go to a winner. :D

88 pitches. I think he's good for one more inning to get to 110.

Optimist
04-07-2007, 01:28 PM
I'm glad that there's a free preview of the MLB Extra Innings package going on right now; I might actually get to watch a real baseball team play today.

a700hitter
04-07-2007, 01:29 PM
ARod with a double. He performs best on bad teams.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 01:30 PM
Matsui out of the game for some reason. Implosion on all fronts.

Optimist
04-07-2007, 01:31 PM
Matsui's been taken out.

They probably did it so Igawa could be yelled at in his native language. Good move.

RedSoxRooter
04-07-2007, 01:31 PM
Arod should have stopped at first so they couldn't pitch around Giambi.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 01:32 PM
Miguel Cairo swings on 2-0??? You have to be fucking kidding me.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 01:34 PM
Posada misses a homer by a foot or two. Damn.

Optimist
04-07-2007, 01:35 PM
Posada continues his good start to the season.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 01:35 PM
which will be wasted by the worst pitching performance I have seen out of our pitchers since the dry days of the early 90s.

RedSoxRooter
04-07-2007, 01:38 PM
Why'd they take out Matsui so early? It's only a 4 run game in the 4th.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 01:39 PM
Why'd they take out Matsui so early? It's only a 4 run game in the 4th.

might be an injury.


BTW, why is Mientkiewicz hitting in that situation again?

example1
04-07-2007, 01:41 PM
I assume that this is a FOX saturday game?

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 01:41 PM
no

RedSoxRooter
04-07-2007, 01:42 PM
I don't even have a Fox game today. Weird.

RedSoxRooter
04-07-2007, 01:45 PM
Longest outing for a Yanks starter this year. Amazing.

castigs850
04-07-2007, 01:45 PM
kei igawa is lookin pretty damn good i must say

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 01:46 PM
his last 2 innings have been pretty solid. Um wait...

Optimist
04-07-2007, 01:50 PM
Melky looks intent on returning to the version of him we saw in 2005.

ORS
04-07-2007, 01:51 PM
Melky looks intent on returning to the version of him we saw in 2005.
You mean the real one?

a700hitter
04-07-2007, 01:53 PM
Tejada spikes that throw.

RedSoxRooter
04-07-2007, 02:14 PM
Iggy's final line:

5.0 ip, 8 hits, 7 runs, 3 walks, 2k, 2hr, 1 error, 97 pitches, 12.60 ERA.

46 million: PRICELESS

riverside sluggers
04-07-2007, 02:32 PM
A-Rod's really swinging the bat well to start the year.

only at certain moments that is...

riverside sluggers
04-07-2007, 02:34 PM
no control. This guy reminds me of a lefty, thinner, slower pitching version of the fat toad.

Still think this guy is set to give the staff 200 innings?

RedSoxRooter
04-07-2007, 02:36 PM
Still think this guy is set to give the staff 200 innings?

When did he say that??? :lol: I thought 3 weeks ago he was going to start the year at tripple A.

riverside sluggers
04-07-2007, 02:37 PM
Oh Rooter... you didnt know? Jackson has been stating during this offseason that Igawa will be an innings machine and finish with around 200 innings. Jacko did you mean for this season, or the entire length of contract?

Optimist
04-07-2007, 02:51 PM
A pinch hit and a pitcher change in the middle of an at bat...

...haven't seen that before....

RedSoxRooter
04-07-2007, 03:07 PM
1 run game now...

RedSoxRooter
04-07-2007, 03:09 PM
You gotta give the man his due. Rivera is the man. He's like the Tiger of closers. A machine. He's even kinda black.

Optimist
04-07-2007, 03:20 PM
...oh no.

EvilDonut
04-07-2007, 03:21 PM
Please Baseball Gods........

K-Rod?

Optimist
04-07-2007, 03:23 PM
HELL YEAH

WALK OFF GRAND SLAM

GOOD DAY

riverside sluggers
04-07-2007, 03:24 PM
Im speechless... Arod... clutch?

CrespoBlows
04-07-2007, 03:24 PM
Talent > the false notion of clutch.

He's going to start getting hits in these situations. I hope New York releases him before they release that the MVP is at the hot corner.

RedSoxRooter
04-07-2007, 03:24 PM
Ok, if this doesn't endear arod to you guys, nothing will.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 03:30 PM
WOW, so we go down 7-2, I have a long night ahead of me tonight, so I figure I'd watch the game as I doze off. I wake up and it is 7-3 with Giambi up. Needless to say, the rest is history.

BTW, MVP of this game is shared by ARod and the bullpen. If their arms stay on, this should be one hell of a team. The rotation will come along once CMW gets back and the weather warms up. Wow.

riverside sluggers
04-07-2007, 03:31 PM
Yea Pavano & Igawa are set to be stable arms and give the yankees a lot of innings...

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 03:34 PM
Yea Pavano & Igawa are set to be stable arms and give the yankees a lot of innings...

The rotation will come along as I said. One of the duo of Pavano and Igawa will not be in the rotation come July, potentially both.

the mann
04-07-2007, 03:37 PM
What a CLUTCH hitter A-Rod is, and what a game he played.
A-Rods line: 3 for 4, 6 RBIs, 4 Runs, 1 Walk.

example1
04-07-2007, 03:39 PM
WOW, so we go down 7-2, I have a long night ahead of me tonight, so I figure I'd watch the game as I doze off. I wake up and it is 7-3 with Giambi up. Needless to say, the rest is history.

BTW, MVP of this game is shared by ARod and the bullpen. If their arms stay on, this should be one hell of a team. The rotation will come along once CMW gets back and the weather warms up. Wow.

It is so weird to watch someone else's emotions swing wildly while watching another team. I'm so used to it myself in Sox games but it is nice to see that others go through it too.

I've never been a big fan of the "A-Rod can't hit in the clutch" philosophy. He's a good hitter. He gets a lot of shit that he wouldn't get if he was playing SS. Derek Jeter is okay if he steals his 30 bags, hits .320 with 25 bombs and 90 RBI. A-Rod is a horrible disappointment if he hits .290 with 35 HR and 110 RBI. If A-Rod played SS his numbers would STILL be better than Jeter's and he would be seen as more valuable.

My biggest hope is that the Yankees buy into their fans impatience and let him go. At that point I would advocate for the Sox to get him. Why the hell not? Have him play SS again and remind people that he won multiple MVPs and gold gloves.

riverside sluggers
04-07-2007, 03:41 PM
$46 million spent overall on a guy who could end up in relief or stashed away at Triple A... yea

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 03:41 PM
example. For the past 3 seasons, his stats in the clutch and in the playoffs have been near useless. If he turns that around, then we will love him. And he is on the right foot. I dont expect him to turn it around on every occasion, but think of what he does in the clutch, or what he did previously. It isnt just that he hasnt hit the jack, he hasnt moved the runner, he has K'd with runners on 3rd and less than 2 outs, he has hit into crushing double plays. If he at least has solid ABs in the clutch, then he will be loved. And to be loved in NY, is something that no player (sans a fan crush in Boston) can experience anywhere else.

a700hitter
04-07-2007, 03:42 PM
This could become ARod's team. Jeter will not like that.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 03:43 PM
$46 million spent overall on a guy who could end up in relief or stashed away at Triple A... yea

there was a reason why the guy was one of the most dominant pitchers in Japan and when you watch his stuff, you see glimpses. But as with Mussina and Pettitte, when you cannot locate your secondary pitches, your mediocre fastball isnt enough to get by with. I saw maybe one called strike on an off speed pitch. In ST, when his curves were getting over, he was absolutely untouchable. Thus far, our offense has snagged 2 games that our pitchers were intent on blowing. One more game in the cold with hit or miss Rasner until we go to the dome. Yankee fans should feel real lucky right now that we arent 0-4.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 03:45 PM
This could become ARod's team. Jeter will not like that.

You think Jeter is the jealous one here? What was the one thing ARod needed to get himself onto the pedestal of best player this generation. He had the stats, the power, the speed, etc etc etc. He did not have the rings nor the fan adulation. If he gets both in NY, he and Jeter would share the spotlight. There is no chance in hell that he can go higher than that.

example1
04-07-2007, 03:51 PM
example. For the past 3 seasons, his stats in the clutch and in the playoffs have been near useless. If he turns that around, then we will love him. And he is on the right foot. I dont expect him to turn it around on every occasion, but think of what he does in the clutch, or what he did previously. It isnt just that he hasnt hit the jack, he hasnt moved the runner, he has K'd with runners on 3rd and less than 2 outs, he has hit into crushing double plays. If he at least has solid ABs in the clutch, then he will be loved. And to be loved in NY, is something that no player (sans a fan crush in Boston) can experience anywhere else.


How do you define stats in the clutch? In the same way that people downplay what Ortiz does in the clutch to justify why A-Rod or Jeter or Morneau should win the MVP I'll do the same thing here. 40 Bombs with 100 + RBI is a tremendous output. I don't care if its in the clutch or not.

I don't mind knowing that A-rod is coming up in a clutch situation, because his lack of success in those situations has been a relief at times. However, I just don't think its valid to put too much weight on those stats. For me, clutch hitting really doesn't exist, but clutch pitching does. Papi's historical success in clutch sitautions likely makes other pitchers more nervous and less likely to execute; likewise, A-Rod's lack of success probably gives pitchers confidence but doesn't really change the way he swings the bat.

I don't know. :dunno: I know Yankee fans are very frustrated, and they have a right to be. But I think more often than not they take out their frustrations because of the bloated payroll of the team and the lack of their ability to somehow overcome the variables that are inherent in baseball through that payroll. Fans want a team that will go 140-22, but that just isn't going to happen no matter how much money you spend. The teams that have approached those types of records are those teams that find the perfect chemistry, and that process isn't explained in a book or a high school class. Chemistry develops over the season.

I know you know all that stuff. I'm not trying to take away your disdain of what A-Rod has done in the past, it's all valid. I just think it shouldn't be surprising when he DOES come through in the clutch at times.

example1
04-07-2007, 03:51 PM
You think Jeter is the jealous one here? What was the one thing ARod needed to get himself onto the pedestal of best player this generation. He had the stats, the power, the speed, etc etc etc. He did not have the rings nor the fan adulation. If he gets both in NY, he and Jeter would share the spotlight. There is no chance in hell that he can go higher than that.

I think he just needed to stay at SS, where 40 HR and 130 RBI are unheard of. Instead, he went to a city where he THOUGHT he would get adoration and rings and they haven't happened.

jacksonianmarch
04-07-2007, 03:55 PM
How do you define stats in the clutch? In the same way that people downplay what Ortiz does in the clutch to justify why A-Rod or Jeter or Morneau should win the MVP I'll do the same thing here. 40 Bombs with 100 + RBI is a tremendous output. I don't care if its in the clutch or not.

I don't mind knowing that A-rod is coming up in a clutch situation, because his lack of success in those situations has been a relief at times. However, I just don't think its valid to put too much weight on those stats. For me, clutch hitting really doesn't exist, but clutch pitching does. Papi's historical success in clutch sitautions likely makes other pitchers more nervous and less likely to execute; likewise, A-Rod's lack of success probably gives pitchers confidence but doesn't really change the way he swings the bat.

I don't know. :dunno: I know Yankee fans are very frustrated, and they have a right to be. But I think more often than not they take out their frustrations because of the bloated payroll of the team and the lack of their ability to somehow overcome the variables that are inherent in baseball through that payroll. Fans want a team that will go 140-22, but that just isn't going to happen no matter how much money you spend. The teams that have approached those types of records are those teams that find the perfect chemistry, and that process isn't explained in a book or a high school class. Chemistry develops over the season.

I know you know all that stuff. I'm not trying to take away your disdain of what A-Rod has done in the past, it's all valid. I just think it shouldn't be surprising when he DOES come through in the clutch at times.

what people do in the past shapes their future. Then again, you can undo your past if you change your ways. Philosophical, huh?

Either way, I am a former ballplayer who just loves to watch the little things in baseball and I get very annoyed when a player gives up an at bat. ARod has done that in the clutch too often in the past. He didnt today and we won. HAPPY TIMES!

example1
04-07-2007, 04:31 PM
what people do in the past shapes their future. Then again, you can undo your past if you change your ways. Philosophical, huh?

Either way, I am a former ballplayer who just loves to watch the little things in baseball and I get very annoyed when a player gives up an at bat. ARod has done that in the clutch too often in the past. He didnt today and we won. HAPPY TIMES!

I'm a former ballplayer too and I like watching the little things as well. I also remember the reactivity of hitting and how much of it is simply routine, hand eye coordination and reactions. As a former pitcher (and I'm sure you have experience with that too) I can remember how much more of a physical routine it is. There are so many things tha tneed to go right with mechanics, and when you're sweating bullets and have 50,000 people screaming at you I think it is easier to crack under the pressure. Especially with things like "walks looming over your head. You could simply throw 4 non-strikes and blow the game.

It doesn't seem like A-rod really uses that to his advantage. He always seems to be pressing, in a way that most other hitters don't and I think a big part of that is the media and the fans who expect him to be superhuman somehow.

MANNYHOF24
04-07-2007, 04:44 PM
So far the yankees season is on schedule, the offense is great nobody will deny that, the starting pitching is worse than people thought so far. (I know it's early) The bullpen has been solid as well.

a700hitter
04-07-2007, 04:45 PM
You think Jeter is the jealous one here? What was the one thing ARod needed to get himself onto the pedestal of best player this generation. He had the stats, the power, the speed, etc etc etc. He did not have the rings nor the fan adulation. If he gets both in NY, he and Jeter would share the spotlight. There is no chance in hell that he can go higher than that.Ah, b ut the petty diva Jeter will resent ARod if he becomes a fan favorite.

Optimist
04-07-2007, 04:48 PM
Yeah...that's why Jeter was the one that pushed A-Rod out of the dugout to take his curtain call today.

yankees228
04-07-2007, 04:50 PM
Yeah...that's why Jeter was the one that pushed A-Rod out of the dugout to take his curtain call today.

True, but I'm not so sure Jeter would be devestated if A-Rod opted out.

a700hitter
04-07-2007, 04:50 PM
Yeah...that's why Jeter was the one that pushed A-Rod out of the dugout to take his curtain call today.Jeter knows the politcs of playing in NY and he is very much aware that people started looking at him with regard to the whole ARod thing. I am sure he's having dinner with him right now.

Dana Kiecker
04-07-2007, 04:57 PM
Most of the sox fans on this site spend way to much time oggling the CFY's..

Its like the family in the trailer goofing on how fat the lady who lives in the mansion aross the streat is.

riverside sluggers
04-07-2007, 07:05 PM
The rotation will come along as I said. One of the duo of Pavano and Igawa will not be in the rotation come July, potentially both.

I still think it will be league average at best, that is until say the Yanks call up Hughes & snag Roger at the same time. For the Yankees' sake the starter's need to throw more innings, bullpen is getting a good deal of work early on thus far

Yankees starter's
(1-2, 10.00 ERA) 17.1 innings, 28 Hits, 22 Runs (19 ER), 11 Walks, 10 Ks

Yankees bullpen
(1-0, 1.48 ERA) 18.2 innings, 11 Hits, 3 Runs, 5 Walks, 14 Ks

Overall:
(2-2, 5.50 ERA) 36 innings, 39 Hits, 25 Runs (22 ER), 4 HRs, 16 Walks, 24 Ks

Red Sox starter's
(2-2, 3.27 ERA) 22 innings, 19 Hits, 9 Runs (8 ER), 9 Walks, 24 Ks

Red Sox bullpen:
(1 save, 1.50 ERA) 12 innings, 6 Hits, 2 Runs, 1 Walk, 9 Ks

Overall (2nd best in AL)
(2-2, 1 save, 2.65 ERA) 34 innings, 25 Hits, 11 Runs (10 ER), 2 HRs, 10 Walks, 33 Ks

Jon_Papelboner
04-07-2007, 07:23 PM
Igawa got fucked by a pop up with eyes. I'm not worried at all about this start.

As for A rod, he's a fag, but he did well today.

a700hitter
04-07-2007, 07:35 PM
Igawa got fucked by a pop up with eyes. I'm not worried at all about this start.

As for A rod, he's a fag, but he did well today.I'd be worried if I were you. He gave up a number of ropes and a couple of bombs. He had bad command and execution. The most worrisome aspect was the fact that he looked like he was going to shit himself on the mound.

a700hitter
04-07-2007, 07:36 PM
Nice hit for a run by Lugo.

EvilDonut
04-07-2007, 07:36 PM
Lol, wrong thread

Jon_Papelboner
04-07-2007, 07:40 PM
I'd be worried if I were you. He gave up a number of ropes and a couple of bombs. He had bad command and execution. The most worrisome aspect was the fact that he looked like he was going to shit himself on the mound.

Things will come around. The O's are good hitting team.

riverside sluggers
04-07-2007, 07:41 PM
Igawa got fucked by a pop up with eyes. I'm not worried at all about this start.

As for A rod, he's a fag, but he did well today.

Yea 5 innings, 8 Hits, 7 Runs, 3 Walks, 2 Ks

good starter the rest of the season! :thumbsup:

AlexanderTheGreat13
04-07-2007, 07:56 PM
The pen has been outstanding. Its way too early to worry about the roation. When we get Wang back and Mussina/Pettitte get more starts under their belt they will be fine.

Optimist
04-07-2007, 08:18 PM
Yea 5 innings, 8 Hits, 7 Runs, 3 Walks, 2 Ks

good starter the rest of the season! :thumbsup:

Wait...how was Schilling's start to the season, against the KANSAS CITY ROYALS?

riverside sluggers
04-07-2007, 08:22 PM
Curt Schilling has proven track record, Igawa does not in the states. Schilling's fastball topped out at 93/94 in his first start, Igawa's topped out at what 88? Id say there's a good chance Schilling still comes out on top with the better season

Gom
04-07-2007, 10:04 PM
Ok, if this doesn't endear arod to you guys, nothing will.

Until the next time he comes up with the game on the line. He's been fantastic this season so far.

rician blast
04-07-2007, 10:22 PM
ARod, act like you've been there before. Oh wait...that would have to have been quite an act.

As a Sox fan, the last thing I want to see is the Yankee fans get OFF his back. So I'm hoping for a nice 4k effort soon, maybe 5 LOBs, just to get the boo-birds back on him. We don't need him getting comfortable, he could carry that team, more so than can Captain Intangibles.

the mann
04-07-2007, 10:43 PM
This could become ARod's team. Jeter will not like that.


You didnt see how Jeter pull him out to the crowd for the standing ovation????
The only thing Jeter want is to win another World Series, and he knows he always be the most beloved Yankee.

Youk Of The Nation
04-07-2007, 10:57 PM
Did anyone listen to the Yanks game on the radio?

John Sterling actually said 'Igawa went five innings, with 8 hits, 7 runs, 3 walks...but he looked much better than those numbers'

What the fuck was he watching?

the mann
04-07-2007, 11:10 PM
Did anyone listen to the Yanks game on the radio?

John Sterling actually said 'Igawa went five innings, with 8 hits, 7 runs, 3 walks...but he looked much better than those numbers'

What the fuck was he watching?

He had very bad luck, with the bases loaded and 2 outs Mora bloop one between 2B and RF and 3 runs scored there.

riverside sluggers
04-07-2007, 11:14 PM
He had very bad luck, with the bases loaded and 2 outs Mora bloop one between 2B and RF and 3 runs scored there.

Giving up those 2 HRs was also bad luck...

a700hitter
04-07-2007, 11:29 PM
You didnt see how Jeter pull him out to the crowd for the standing ovation????
The only thing Jeter want is to win another World Series, and he knows he always be the most beloved Yankee.Read my prior post. I saw it. Sure Jeter wants to win a championship, but have you ever heard the old saying that goes something like this: success is good, but it's even better if all your friends are failures. ARod, in this case, would be the friend.

the mann
04-08-2007, 12:37 AM
Giving up those 2 HRs was also bad luck...

Im not saying he didnt pitch a bad game, but he didnt have good luck and maybe with a little better of luck hes line wouldnt have been soo bad.
Igawa have bad comand and leave lots of pitches high in the zone.

Gom
04-08-2007, 02:20 AM
Some random thoughts...


Did anyone listen to the Yanks game on the radio?

John Sterling actually said 'Igawa went five innings, with 8 hits, 7 runs, 3 walks...but he looked much better than those numbers'

What the fuck was he watching?
If you listen to Yankee announcers, you know that there aren't any bigger "homer" announcers in the AL East. We've kind of come to expect it now. An opposing player can go 4-4 while hitting for the cycle, while a Yankee player wins the award for a sacrifice bunt. Get used to it.

Read my prior post. I saw it. Sure Jeter wants to win a championship, but have you ever heard the old saying that goes something like this: success is good, but it's even better if all your friends are failures. ARod, in this case, would be the friend.
On this one, although I like most of your posts, you're being an idiot. Winning is all that matters to Jeter.

For those of you who don't watch this guy play everyday, it's not about ego or entourage, etc., on the field. It's about winning. There isn't a Yankee that wants Arod to succeed more than Jeter. Not for friendship, etc., but just for winning another World Series.

Think about this...he wants Arod to fail so he leaves and therefore lessens the probability for winning a World Series both this year and in subsequent years? Get real.

From a clubhouse standpoint, since you guys don't see him as often as we do, equate Jeter to Varitek. Do you think if Varitek had a spat with Ortiz, he would want Ortiz to fail?

Case closed.

jacksonianmarch
04-08-2007, 07:50 AM
Giving up those 2 HRs was also bad luck...

that blooper and subsequent mishap on the throw would have saved Igawa 3 runs. Even so, that is 4ER in 5IP. Nothing good.

Like I have said before, finesse pitchers adapt the poorest to the cold weather and our rotation is full of finesse pitching. That likely changes come midseason with either Roger or Hughes or both entering the fray.

Once it gets warmer, I expect our pitchers to start locating their offspeed stuff. Something that is the direct reason why they have been getting shit bombed. Between Pettitte, Moose, and Igawa, they could not get their curves or changeups over the plate. With a better feel on the mound, it should start. But jeez, thus far they havent been encouraging.

MANNYHOF24
04-08-2007, 08:29 AM
You know what would be excellent, if the Yanks out bid the sox for Clemens, and he finally breaks down and sucks like a 45 year old should. That would be classic. I think Hughes from what I have read should be really good; however there will be a big adjustment for him, and he might walk a lot of guys initially. Jacko has he ever had any control issues in the minors?

yankees228
04-08-2007, 09:16 AM
Curt Schilling has proven track record, Igawa does not in the states. Schilling's fastball topped out at 93/94 in his first start, Igawa's topped out at what 88? Id say there's a good chance Schilling still comes out on top with the better season

Then shouldn't you look at Pettitte and Mussina the same way?

ORS
04-08-2007, 09:56 AM
Then shouldn't you look at Pettitte and Mussina the same way?
You'd be right if the discussion was about older vets off to slow starts, but it wasn't. Someone excused Igawa's performance as not worrisome because of one bloop hit. There was a lot not to like outside of that hit. Eager to throw jabs the other way, another Yankee fan brought up Schilling, which is not a relevant comp. Schilling has a track record, Igawa has none to compare to.

yankees228
04-08-2007, 10:05 AM
You'd be right if the discussion was about older vets off to slow starts, but it wasn't. Someone excused Igawa's performance as not worrisome because of one bloop hit. There was a lot not to like outside of that hit. Eager to throw jabs the other way, another Yankee fan brought up Schilling, which is not a relevant comp. Schilling has a track record, Igawa has none to compare to.

OK, fair enough. I realize Optimist brought up Schilling, but the way I read Riverside's post was that Schilling should be given the benefit of the doubt because he has a track record, unlike Igawa. So I was just saying that the Red Sox fans who are saying how poor the Yankees rotation is should take Pettitte's and Mussina's track records into consideration.

By the way, I completely agree with Igawa. You cannot just say that he was unlucky because of that one bloop hit. He gave up two home runs, but what was most concerning was the fact that he seemed to completely lose command and poise, especially with runners on base.

riverside sluggers
04-08-2007, 10:07 AM
Maybe he should lose the shades? I cant remember the last time, if at all, Ive seen a starting pitcher wear sunglasses.

yankees228
04-08-2007, 10:11 AM
Maybe he should lose the shades? I cant remember the last time, if at all, Ive seen a starting pitcher wear sunglasses.

Haha, it's just him and Gustavo Chacin.