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example1
04-12-2007, 11:42 PM
Instead of putting things in each individual thread I figured I would start this and let peole update it whenever they can. If you don't like the format feel free to update the individual pages:

The Good:
1B: Aaron Bates: 3/4 with 2 2B and 1 HR tonight.
So far: 24AB, 9R, 9H, 3 2B, 3 HR, 9 RBI, 5 BB
.375/.467/.875/1.342

The Bad: Another bad start by Daniel Bard.
This season he's pitched 4.1 IP and given up 7 ER.

Apr 11: 1.2 IP: 3 ER, 6 BB!!!, 1 K

Apr 6: 2.2 IP: 4 ER on 6 H with 1 K

So far a 14.54 ERA for one of our first round picks from last season.

CrespoBlows
04-12-2007, 11:56 PM
I know a 14.52 ERA is really bad, but that ballpark is like playing on the Moon.

If someone throws a shutout there, they should give him the Cy Young.

riverside sluggers
04-13-2007, 05:22 AM
Aaron Bates is a slugging 1st baseman with a lot of promise, I believe soxprospects.com likens him to a Justin Morneau type. No doubt I'll be tracking his progress up the minor system

jacksonianmarch
04-13-2007, 07:15 AM
Instead of putting things in each individual thread I figured I would start this and let peole update it whenever they can. If you don't like the format feel free to update the individual pages:

The Good:
1B: Aaron Bates: 3/4 with 2 2B and 1 HR tonight.
So far: 24AB, 9R, 9H, 3 2B, 3 HR, 9 RBI, 5 BB
.375/.467/.875/1.342

The Bad: Another bad start by Daniel Bard.
This season he's pitched 4.1 IP and given up 7 ER.

Apr 11: 1.2 IP: 3 ER, 6 BB!!!, 1 K

Apr 6: 2.2 IP: 4 ER on 6 H with 1 K

So far a 14.54 ERA for one of our first round picks from last season.


With some pitchers, results are imperative because their stuff hits their ceiling very quickly. With others, like Bard, you look for his walk totals to go down and eventually he will harness it. Like I said in the past, this kid is a long term project.

And for those who thought Bard was the better selection vs Kennedy havent seen the kid pitch recently. I think they slotted out correctly.

Papelbon58
04-13-2007, 09:42 AM
Bates is a possibility to play first at some point next season for the Sox. Morneau is the comparison I have seen the most. He really has kind of been quietly going about his business so far in his career, but he seems to be breaking out this season.

CrespoBlows
04-13-2007, 10:26 AM
Justin Morneau?

Seriously, Justin Morneau?

The 2006 MVP Justin Morneau?

The same Justin Morneau who hit 34 HR's in 2006?

Who has told you that Aaron Bates resembles a Justin Morneau? Some guy at Fenway?

No one has EVER likened Aaron Bates to another Justin Morneau. I saw the Conor Jackson comparison, which is reasonable. For you to begin to compare the two is flat out dishonesty, at best, and probably stupidity.

Aaron Bates is 23? So, when he was 22 he was battling ACC pitchers to the tune of a .354/.479/.560/1.039 with aluminum bats.

Justin Morneau was fucking terrorizing AAA pitchers to the tune of a 1 HR ever 13 AB's.

If Aaron Bates ever hits 22 HR's in a season, I will deposit 1,000 dollars into everyone's bank account.

CrespoBlows
04-13-2007, 10:27 AM
And for those who thought Bard was the better selection vs Kennedy havent seen the kid pitch recently. I think they slotted out correctly.

Gom's assesment of you is looking more correct with every passing day.

example1
04-15-2007, 11:58 PM
All this Bard discussion aside, let's talk about an established prospect:

Michael Bowden's start today:
5.2 2H 0R 0ER 1BB 5K

riverside sluggers
04-19-2007, 12:28 PM
Aaron Bates keeps it up

Stats through first 12 games

14 for 46 (.304 avg) (.476 OBP) (.652 SLG) (1.128 OPS) 4 Doubles, 4 HRs, 11 RBIs, 14 Runs, 14 Walks, 12 Ks

http://www.minorleaguebasebal

seabeachfred
04-20-2007, 09:59 AM
Since I live in So Cal I have to get my ass over to Lancaster and see these guys for myself. I'm intrigued by Aaron Bates but I think it is more than a little premature to start comparing him to anybody who has already established themselves. Besides, I thought Lars Anderson was the guy we were hopeful to groom to be our regular first baseman for 12-15 years or so. The problem I have seen the past two years is that our prospects have a good first year and then regress badly. I saw with Corsaletti, Natale, Moss, and Lowrie the past two seasons. Somewhere the progress of our young players is breaking down. I certainly hope this is reversed as they move up the ladder.

SchillingIsTheNatural
04-20-2007, 12:14 PM
Since I live in So Cal I have to get my ass over to Lancaster and see these guys for myself. I'm intrigued by Aaron Bates but I think it is more than a little premature to start comparing him to anybody who has already established themselves. Besides, I thought Lars Anderson was the guy we were hopeful to groom to be our regular first baseman for 12-15 years or so. The problem I have seen the past two years is that our prospects have a good first year and then regress badly. I saw with Corsaletti, Natale, Moss, and Lowrie the past two seasons. Somewhere the progress of our young players is breaking down. I certainly hope this is reversed as they move up the ladder.

Its funny but the same thing happened to Hanley Ramirez. He did not exactly light up AA Portland then went to the Marlins and put together a stellar season. I wonder if he would have been the same player with the Red Sox. One thing is for sure....he probably would have spent another season or two in the minors. Dustin Pedroia was advancing at a faster pace and is just starting this season.

ORS
04-22-2007, 09:10 AM
Bowden settles in after a rocky 1st that saw him give up 3 H, 1 BB, 2 R, 0 K.....

Final Line: 5.1 IP, 7H, 2R, 2BB, 4K

Rates: 1.71 ERA, 8.14 K/9, 2.57 BB/9, 7.71 H/9, 0.42 HR/9

example1
05-01-2007, 11:49 PM
How about Bowden tonight:

6IP 5H 0R 0ER 0BB 9K, with a 1.91 ERA this year in the hitter friendly California League. Kid will probably be at AA before the end of the season.

riverside sluggers
05-06-2007, 05:23 AM
Damn keep it up Bates, a promotion to Double A is in his sights

28 games- 31 for 106 (.292 avg) (.438 OBP) (.613 SLG) (1.051 ops) 8 Doubles, Triple, 8 HRs, 27 RBIs, 23 Runs, 24 Walks, 30 Ks

riverside sluggers
05-12-2007, 10:10 PM
33 games- 36 for 124 (.290 avg) (.441 OBP) (.605 SLG) (1.046 ops) 10 Doubles, Triple, 9 HRs, 33 RBIs, 30 Runs, 29 Walks, 33 Ks

example1
05-13-2007, 03:02 AM
33 games- 36 for 124 (.290 avg) (.441 OBP) (.605 SLG) (1.046 ops) 10 Doubles, Triple, 9 HRs, 33 RBIs, 30 Runs, 29 Walks, 33 Ks

Bowden gives up 1 H in 7 IP, 5 K, 1 BB, 1.37 ERA

example1
05-19-2007, 03:22 AM
So..... did anyone notice that Lancaster lost on Friday night?

To Lake Elsinore.

30-0.

It was 21-0 after 4 innings, and LE scored 6 more runs in the top of the 9th. OUCH!

Papelbon58
05-19-2007, 10:22 AM
oh my god, wtf happened?

riverside sluggers
05-19-2007, 11:29 AM
Kris Johnson's stock has really fallen hard this year

example1
05-19-2007, 12:14 PM
Kris Johnson's stock has really fallen hard this year

It sure has. You gotta wonder if he's injured or something.

I would trade that for Bowden and Buchholz's performance so far, given that both of them have HUGE upsides and I don't think anyone thought Johnson's was as high. Of course, unfortunately, they aren't mutually exclusive.

Rdsxmbnt
05-19-2007, 12:23 PM
all 3 of our 1st round/2nd round (excluding Caleb Clay) have gotten torched pitching for Lancaster. Part of it is Lancaster but they havent exactly been good on the road either. Masteron and Johnson havent switched to SP from MRs very well at all this year. Johnson and Masteron both had ERAs under 1.00 in over 30 IP each least year and looked poised for breakout years.

CrespoBlows
05-20-2007, 12:50 AM
Michael Bowden is definitely a god.

ORS
05-20-2007, 04:39 AM
Aaron Bates went 5/5 with 4 HR. No, that isn't a typo. He's got 13 on the season, but 9 have come at home, so don't forget the grain of salt.

example1
06-16-2007, 02:06 AM
Bubba Bell and Aaron Bates appear to be having really good seasons.

What do we make of these guys? I figuted that the Sox drafted Bates and Anderson last year to ensure that they got some MLB quality talent at the 1B position. It looks like both have been very impressive in that capacity, but Bates' numbers are amazing. I figure you take park effects into account and age and they are comparable players.

Still Bates and Bell have been impressive:

Bates: 66 games--.318 .459 .600 1.059/ 17 HR, 56 RBI
Bell: 62 games--.354 .445 .615 1.060/ 16 HR, 63 RBI

do either of these guys have a future? Bell is 24, Bates 23.

I don't see anyone significant in front of Bates, all the way through the majors. If Youk ends up moving to 3rd might we see Bates get a shot at 1B in 2 seasons if he keeps it up, with Anderson following closely as security?

We talk alot about the top end prospects, but not the mid-level ones who may still have considerable upside.

Brandon Moss would be another one worty of discussion. He has never had an MLB at bat. Worth a shot?

CrespoBlows
06-16-2007, 02:11 AM
Bubba Bell and Aaron Bates appear to be having really good seasons.

What do we make of these guys? I figuted that the Sox drafted Bates and Anderson last year to ensure that they got some MLB quality talent at the 1B position. It looks like both have been very impressive in that capacity, but Bates' numbers are amazing. I figure you take park effects into account and age and they are comparable players.

Still Bates and Bell have been impressive:

Bates: 66 games--.318 .459 .600 1.059/ 17 HR, 56 RBI
Bell: 62 games--.354 .445 .615 1.060/ 16 HR, 63 RBI

do either of these guys have a future? Bell is 24, Bates 23.

I don't see anyone significant in front of Bates, all the way through the majors. If Youk ends up moving to 3rd might we see Bates get a shot at 1B in 2 seasons if he keeps it up, with Anderson following closely as security?

They play at Lancaster, which is a better offensive stadium than that of Coors Field, so I'd remain skeptical until they prove they can hit outside of the California League.



We talk alot about the top end prospects, but not the mid-level ones who may still have considerable upside.

Brandon Moss would be another one worty of discussion. He has never had an MLB at bat. Worth a shot?

He's 23, and he's raking at AAA. He's got potential to be a starting RF.

riverside sluggers
06-16-2007, 10:38 AM
Bubba Bell and Aaron Bates appear to be having really good seasons.

What do we make of these guys? I figuted that the Sox drafted Bates and Anderson last year to ensure that they got some MLB quality talent at the 1B position. It looks like both have been very impressive in that capacity, but Bates' numbers are amazing. I figure you take park effects into account and age and they are comparable players.

Still Bates and Bell have been impressive:

Bates: 66 games--.318 .459 .600 1.059/ 17 HR, 56 RBI
Bell: 62 games--.354 .445 .615 1.060/ 16 HR, 63 RBI

do either of these guys have a future? Bell is 24, Bates 23.

I don't see anyone significant in front of Bates, all the way through the majors. If Youk ends up moving to 3rd might we see Bates get a shot at 1B in 2 seasons if he keeps it up, with Anderson following closely as security?

soxprospects.com is projecting that Aaron Bates will be the starting 1st baseman for the 08 Paw Sox. At his pace I wouldnt doubt that, but still a long ways away and of course his home park is quite the hitter's park. Optimistic to see where he can take things

jacksonianmarch
06-16-2007, 01:04 PM
soxprospects.com is projecting that Aaron Bates will be the starting 1st baseman for the 08 Paw Sox. At his pace I wouldnt doubt that, but still a long ways away and of course his home park is quite the hitter's park. Optimistic to see where he can take things

sox prospects is on the optimistic side of the neutral line I think. Bates needs to prove he can handle portland before he'll be sent up to Pawtucket.

ORS
06-16-2007, 01:17 PM
I agree, and that time should be now. For a guy with college polish, he has little left to prove at A+.

jacksonianmarch
06-16-2007, 01:20 PM
I agree, and that time should be now. For a guy with college polish, he has little left to prove at A+.

most top notch college talent doesnt for that matter. A+ is a minor proving grounds for them. AA is the big proving grounds. I hope he gets the callup.

riverside sluggers
07-07-2007, 10:39 AM
This year's offensive breakout player, Bubba Bell, has been promoted to Double A Portland. Lets see if it was just the park doing its damage. Before this year he had never hit more than 3 HRs. He went 1 for 4 in his Sea Dogs debut

Lancaster stats
76 games- 119 for 322 (.376 avg) (.465 obp) (.665 slg) (1.120 ops) 27 Doubles, Triple, 22 HRs, 83 RBIs, 95 Runs, 48 Walks, 39 Ks, 10 SBs

ORS
04-06-2008, 08:44 PM
Jon Still loves the Cal League.

Cracked 2 today for the JetHawks, giving him 4 on the season in 4 games.

Anyone have anything on his receiving skills?

CrespoBlows
05-10-2008, 10:05 PM
Lancaster's getting pounded to the tune of 15 to zip.

Josh Papelbon's MLB hopes go up in flames with a 1 IP 4 ER outing. Riverside and Jsinger are crushed, as their predictions of the next Jon Papelbon also go up in flames.

Jayhawk Bill
05-11-2008, 08:36 AM
Josh Papelbon's MLB hopes go up in flames with a 1 IP 4 ER outing.

Meh. Anybody can have a bad day, especially with Lancaster.


Riverside and Jsinger are crushed, as their predictions of the next Jon Papelbon also go up in flames.

While he and I frequently disagree on details, nobody disses jsinger121 without dissing me. The guy knows the Red Sox minor league system better than anybody else not affiliated with the organization, IMO.

Riverside...you can take care of yourself on this one. ;)

CrespoBlows
05-11-2008, 12:11 PM
While he and I frequently disagree on details, nobody disses jsinger121 without dissing me. The guy knows the Red Sox minor league system better than anybody else not affiliated with the organization, IMO.


You might like him, but anyone who disrespects the service of an American soldier will be dissed quite frequently.

I don't know if he's changed, but he still was the biggest Red Sox prospect homer on the site. You can't even critize a Red Sox prospect on his site.

Buchholz arrest history? Deleted
Jed Lowrie compared to Brian Roberts? Deleted
Aaron Bates to Justin Morneau? Deleted

This guy isn't interested in debate, he's interested in you seeing the way he thinks, and if you don't, you're wrong.


He fought in the Vietman war which was the most pointless war ever. That war did nothing for our freedom as the US should never have even been there just like we are in Iraq now.

Jayhawk Bill
05-11-2008, 02:23 PM
You might like him, but anyone who disrespects the service of an American soldier will be dissed quite frequently.

I don't know if he's changed...

He hasn't. As a veteran, I'm not enamored of his political perspectives.


This guy isn't interested in debate, he's interested in you seeing the way he thinks, and if you don't, you're wrong.

He respected my viewpoints when we debated prospects, and I assure you that we have.

:dunno:

CrespoBlows
05-11-2008, 03:33 PM
He respected my viewpoints when we debated prospects, and I assure you that we have.

:dunno:

I'll take your word for it, seeing it's been two years since he's posted here.

Do you post at soxprospects?

Jayhawk Bill
05-11-2008, 03:34 PM
I'll take your word for it, seeing it's been two years since he's posted here.

Do you post at soxprospects?

Nope.

We've conversed elsewhere in cyberspace.

Boris
10-25-2008, 07:05 PM
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