Torre must go

[Gom]

It is about time that Torre is shown the door. He is a piss-poor strategist, and the Yankees win in spite of him.

I can't believe I am saying it, but I am wishing for the days of a younger Steinbrenner. He would have been long gone by now.

Truth be told, the Yankees SHOULD have won two of three games at Fenway this weekend. I'm not taking anything away from the Sox efforts, but he had a lead going into the 7th inning I believe in both games, and due to his pitching mismanagement, they lost both games.

It is time for Torre to go. Not at the end of the season. NOW. Not only will they do better, but it may just show Arod that the manager that put him 8th last season in Detroit is no longer his coach.

Torre is probably as bad a strategist as the Yankees have ever had. Stump Merrill could have won with this team.

[jacksonianmarch]

It is about time that Torre is shown the door. He is a piss-poor strategist, and the Yankees win in spite of him.

I can't believe I am saying it, but I am wishing for the days of a younger Steinbrenner. He would have been long gone by now.

Truth be told, the Yankees SHOULD have won two of three games at Fenway this weekend. I'm not taking anything away from the Sox efforts, but he had a lead going into the 7th inning I believe in both games, and due to his pitching mismanagement, they lost both games.

It is time for Torre to go. Not at the end of the season. NOW. Not only will they do better, but it may just show Arod that the manager that put him 8th last season in Detroit is no longer his coach.

Torre is probably as bad a strategist as the Yankees have ever had. Stump Merrill could have won with this team.


/musictomyears.

[TheKilo]

It is about time that Torre is shown the door. He is a piss-poor strategist, and the Yankees win in spite of him.

I can't believe I am saying it, but I am wishing for the days of a younger Steinbrenner. He would have been long gone by now.

Truth be told, the Yankees SHOULD have won two of three games at Fenway this weekend. I'm not taking anything away from the Sox efforts, but he had a lead going into the 7th inning I believe in both games, and due to his pitching mismanagement, they lost both games.

It is time for Torre to go. Not at the end of the season. NOW. Not only will they do better, but it may just show Arod that the manager that put him 8th last season in Detroit is no longer his coach.

Torre is probably as bad a strategist as the Yankees have ever had. Stump Merrill could have won with this team.

Is it Torre's fault Rivera completely shit the bed Friday night? Isn't that his job...bring in the relief ace to put out the fire?

Proctor's been overused, so you can have a claim at that one, but who would you have brought in in that spot? Vizcaino? That'd be three in a row from him. Henn? Farnsworth?

edit - lol

[adam123]

It is about time that Torre is shown the door. He is a piss-poor strategist, and the Yankees win in spite of him.

I can't believe I am saying it, but I am wishing for the days of a younger Steinbrenner. He would have been long gone by now.

Truth be told, the Yankees SHOULD have won two of three games at Fenway this weekend. I'm not taking anything away from the Sox efforts, but he had a lead going into the 7th inning I believe in both games, and due to his pitching mismanagement, they lost both games.

It is time for Torre to go. Not at the end of the season. NOW. Not only will they do better, but it may just show Arod that the manager that put him 8th last season in Detroit is no longer his coach.

Torre is probably as bad a strategist as the Yankees have ever had. Stump Merrill could have won with this team.

I really think they have old pitching and its finally showing . I really tought they would give him the door after 2004 so i think hes there for the long haul

[castigs850]

id say he has already been there for a pretty long haul, but if you are talking about this season then I'd say your right. he wont be gone until you guys dont make the WS this year.

[jacksonianmarch]

Mariano shares blame but one must think of something.

#1- Mo has not been used enough.

#2- Mo is coming off an awful outing in OAK

Considering those 2 things, Mo should have been used once in the Cleveland series to get his location back. A 4 day break after losing to Marco fucking Scutaro is inexcuseable. Also, knowing that Mo's location is a bit off and his elbow is a ticking time bomb, you should avoid bringing him in with runners on or bringing him in for more than 1 inning. We already went over that game, but it wasnt just his bullpen he fucked with. No Giambi late because of a pinch runner, no Phelps to finish the game. Bad news all around.

[Remember the Titans]

I really think they have old pitching and its finally showing . I really tought they would give him the door after 2004 so i think hes there for the long haul

lol tru u remember teh game last nite the yankmes r really bad rite?

[TheKilo]

Mariano shares blame but one must think of something.

#1- Mo has not been used enough.

#2- Mo is coming off an awful outing in OAK

Considering those 2 things, Mo should have been used once in the Cleveland series to get his location back. A 4 day break after losing to Marco fucking Scutaro is inexcuseable. Also, knowing that Mo's location is a bit off and his elbow is a ticking time bomb, you should avoid bringing him in with runners on or bringing him in for more than 1 inning. We already went over that game, but it wasnt just his bullpen he fucked with. No Giambi late because of a pinch runner, no Phelps to finish the game. Bad news all around.

Who should have come in during the 8th then? I swear Rivera is your best BP arm.

[adam123]

exactly this is what old spot pitching gets

[Remember the Titans]

exactly this is what old spot pitching gets

ya u think coach boone wuz 2 old wen he quit hey remembre the game last nite?

[a700hitter]

It's very easy to manage and win when you have 4 or 5 solid starters and lights out 8th and 9th inning guys. Now that he is without either end of the equation, he's helpless to manage to win any close games for his team. He got so used to winning being a turnkey operation that he literally forgot how to manage a game.

[jacksonianmarch]

Who should have come in during the 8th then? I swear Rivera is your best BP arm.

I know he is. Some of this is frustration but look at how he got into that mess.

Papi leading off, 4 run lead. I do not like Myers in this spot because you are more concerned with walking him than you are getting him out. In a close game with Papi up in a big spot, Myers could always go at him and if he walks him, he walks him. A 4 run lead in the 8th and Papi leading off changes how you pitch to him and negates your primary lefty specialist. I would not have used Vizcaino especially after he got bombed against the Indians the day before. In that spot, I would have kept Proctor in after he threw 8 pitches to bail Pettitte out and then shut him down for the rest of the series. If no to Proctor, then I'd use Bruney who has been one of our best relievers to this point. If not Bruney, then Henn who has been very good especially vs the lefties. In no way do I bring in the guy with the biggest control problem in our pen into a game where a walk is killer.

[jacksonianmarch]

It's very easy to manage and win when you have 4 or 5 solid starters and lights out 8th and 9th inning guys. Now that he is without either end of the equation, he's helpless to manage to win any close games for his team. He got so used to winning being a turnkey operation that he literally forgot how to manage a game.

POST OF THE YEAR!!!!

Joe Torre has had it so easy for most of his career that he no longer possesses the ability to win a game based on having non-perfect options. Torre had a bullpen in the late 90s that had 3 or 4 guys who could be closers on it. Hell, they TRADED Bob Wickman away because he wasnt getting enough work. Even when Torre made the bonehead move, the pitcher he would bring in was so dominant that it didnt matter. In the past he had pitchers who he could leave out there too long and it wont matter. He had a rotation that had Cone, Wells, Gooden, Key, Pettitte, Clemens, El Duque, Neagle, Rogers, Mussina, etc etc. Guys in their prime (aside from gooden and Key) who he could hand the ball to and wake up in the 7th with the lead. Now he has matchup guys, short guys, long guys, guys who have poor control, guys with great control, fireballers, pusballers and a rotation filled with AARP members. We need a manager now. We need someone who can walk through the minefield unscathed. Our offense manages itself (even though Torre managed to fuck that up in game 1 already) so we will have lots of leads. But he is gonna have to make sure he picks the right guys to hold those leads. And even though he is being given uite an arsenal of power arms out there, he always seems to be using the coldest or more tired in the most inopportune time.

[Gom]

It's not even that. He burns his pen even when he wins. I would love to have Francona manage the Yankees. I never was a Torre fan, and this series just drove me nuts. He's clueless.

Look at Tito. He has a lead, he lets Matsuzaka go deep. I am willing to bet anyone here that sometime this week, the Yankees will have a 5-2 or 6-2 lead in the sixth inning and here comes the bullpen. THOSE are the games that cost the Yankees in Boston. His pen is so overworked that when he uses them in big spots, they shit the bed because their arms are going to fall off.

Let me give you an example. Yankees have the lead on Friday, he takes out Pettitte. Bullpen blows the game.

Sunday. Yankees have the lead again. Brings in Pettitte. Umm...why didn't you LEAVE PETTITE IN ON FRIDAY? Why? Because he is an idiot, that's why. I agree with the move in bringing him in, he gets through the inning. Now what? Next inning, he has Manny and Drew up. So what does he do? HE BRINGS IN PROCTOR! Manny is 5 for 8 against Manny with three homeruns.

So instead of having the lefty for Drew, he gives the Sox the advantage twice.

He is absolutely horrible. The Yankees will NEVER win another World Series with this guy managing the team.

[Optimist]

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/1109/835/320/torre2cl.jpg

Damn Cashman and Swindel for fighting for him after the pathetic loss in Detroit.

[Papelbon58]

I was going to say you guys were crazy, because I was going to say that he may not be the best, but there isn't anyone better available. Then I remembered that Joe Girardi is sitting around waiting for this and, well, yeah.

[Gom]

Boston MVP:

JOE TORRE

People forget that the Yankees had the lead going into the 7th in two of the three games. He can't match up period.

I am disgusted.

[kyahbean]

I never liked Torre anyway. How can you like a guy that never smiles even when his team is winning a pennant?

[Coco's Disciples]

Boston MVP:

JOE TORRE

People forget that the Yankees had the lead going into the 7th in two of the three games. He can't match up period.

I am disgusted.

Throw the runs off Mariano Rivera out the window right? So we don't get any credit for beating you?

[Gom]

Throw the runs off Mariano Rivera out the window right? So we don't get any credit for beating you?

For the 257th time, I gave your team credit. You know, as a manager, you can only make the right moves. Now, if you get beat with your best, that's one thing. However, Torre doesn't make the right moves. So the fact of the matter remains that Torre doesn't make the moves needed to win.

Example: The Sox come back on Sunday, so Tito leaves Matsuzaka in to face Arod. That was the right move. Arod gets a hit, so he is gone.

If Torre's pitchers had a 7-2 lead going into the 7th, its time to take him out. It's like Torre thinks his starters will spontaneously combust if they go into the 7th inning, even if they have a 264 run lead.

Torre burns his pen in games he WINS for no reason, and the bullpen is ineffective in games he LOSES. Coincidence? No freaking way.

[schillingouttheks]

I never liked Torre anyway. How can you like a guy that never smiles even when his team is winning a pennant?

I know, really...he just cries.

[jacksonianmarch]

For the 257th time, I gave your team credit. You know, as a manager, you can only make the right moves. Now, if you get beat with your best, that's one thing. However, Torre doesn't make the right moves. So the fact of the matter remains that Torre doesn't make the moves needed to win.

Example: The Sox come back on Sunday, so Tito leaves Matsuzaka in to face Arod. That was the right move. Arod gets a hit, so he is gone.

If Torre's pitchers had a 7-2 lead going into the 7th, its time to take him out. It's like Torre thinks his starters will spontaneously combust if they go into the 7th inning, even if they have a 264 run lead.

Torre burns his pen in games he WINS for no reason, and the bullpen is ineffective in games he LOSES. Coincidence? No freaking way.


Gom, likely one of your strongest posts and one of my biggest pet peeves about Torre. In one of the games vs Cleveland when we had a 9-2 lead, he brought in Proctor to reliever Igawa, who was at 92 pitches through 6. The same Proctor who needs to have a new arm attached by the AS break. He refuses to stretch out his starters.

[inkman]

Did anyone think Petitte coming out of the bully was a good idea? Should that be on Joe?

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

Did anyone think Petitte coming out of the bully was a good idea? Should that be on Joe?

It saved the pen an inning, and Pettitte only had to throw 9 pitches. It was fine with me. But I think everyone's point is that it shouldn't have to come to that. Torre should rest the pen more so that on days where you need them, like when Chase gives up 4 homers in a row, they will be more effective.

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

I was going to say you guys were crazy, because I was going to say that he may not be the best, but there isn't anyone better available. Then I remembered that Joe Girardi is sitting around waiting for this and, well, yeah.

I thought Donald Baseball was in line for the job next year? :dunno:

[Papelbon58]

I thought Donald Baseball was in line for the job next year? :dunno:

He may be but that would be a stupid move on their part.

[TGov]

I was going to say you guys were crazy, because I was going to say that he may not be the best, but there isn't anyone better available. Then I remembered that Joe Girardi is sitting around waiting for this and, well, yeah.

O Ya Girardi, I forgot about him, why was he let go again?

[Gom]

I would take Girardi over Donnie Baseball as a manager at this point. Girardi is a proven commodity, but when you come to think of it, Willie Randolph wasn't proven, and he has done a decent job so far. Torre's staff has moved on to managing, with Mazzilli [at the time] Girardi, Randolph, etc.

Shame is that the weakest link in the Yankee coaching staff is the man who calls the shots.

Why can't he have a non-life threatening ailment that will keep him from coaching for the rest of the year? Something like syphillis in an early stage?

[Gom]

Gom, likely one of your strongest posts and one of my biggest pet peeves about Torre. In one of the games vs Cleveland when we had a 9-2 lead, he brought in Proctor to reliever Igawa, who was at 92 pitches through 6. The same Proctor who needs to have a new arm attached by the AS break. He refuses to stretch out his starters.

I have been validated by the immortal jacksonianmarch

DO YOU HEAR THAT HEATHENS?

LOL! I can't even take a compliment well. Jacks, you watch the games, you know he burns them out even when he wins.

[jacksonianmarch]

LOL! I can't even take a compliment well. Jacks, you watch the games, you know he burns them out even when he wins.

and it burns me on the inside. Even last yr when we got 6+ regularly from our top 3, he somehow managed to set record with his usage of Proctor.

[jacksonianmarch]

I would take Girardi over Donnie Baseball as a manager at this point. Girardi is a proven commodity, but when you come to think of it, Willie Randolph wasn't proven, and he has done a decent job so far. Torre's staff has moved on to managing, with Mazzilli [at the time] Girardi, Randolph, etc.

Shame is that the weakest link in the Yankee coaching staff is the man who calls the shots.

Why can't he have a non-life threatening ailment that will keep him from coaching for the rest of the year? Something like syphillis in an early stage?

penicillin wipes that out. I wont wish illness on someone, only misfortune. How about, FIRING!!!

[yankees228]

It is about time that Torre is shown the door. He is a piss-poor strategist, and the Yankees win in spite of him.

I can't believe I am saying it, but I am wishing for the days of a younger Steinbrenner. He would have been long gone by now.

Truth be told, the Yankees SHOULD have won two of three games at Fenway this weekend. I'm not taking anything away from the Sox efforts, but he had a lead going into the 7th inning I believe in both games, and due to his pitching mismanagement, they lost both games.

It is time for Torre to go. Not at the end of the season. NOW. Not only will they do better, but it may just show Arod that the manager that put him 8th last season in Detroit is no longer his coach.

Torre is probably as bad a strategist as the Yankees have ever had. Stump Merrill could have won with this team.

I'm not a Joe Torre fan either, but I think that getting swept by the Red Sox was due to the fact that they hard to start Jeff Karstens (coming off one rehab start which was stupid, but not a Torre decision) and Chase Wright. Injuries had a huge effect on the Red Sox series this weekend. That and the fact that Mo had a bad night.

[He Hate Me]

I dont think the problem is Joe Torre, the problem is the makeup of the roster isn't reallys suited for a guy like Torre anymore. Torre isn't the type to light a fire under someone's ass, and he didnt need to when we had Tino, Paulie, and Scotty around who didn't need anyone to give them a jolt. Unfortunately, those guys are no longer here and Torre's strength as a quiet but effective manager doesn't work so well anymore.

I love Joe, I think he's a great manager and deserving of a monument in Yankee stadium and in the HOF as a coach, but the current makeup of the roster just doesn't suit him, it's a mismatch. Right now, probably someone like Zimmer would be a better coach, if only to wake up our guys from their seemingly catatonic daydream.

[jacksonianmarch]

that is the point. Torre is great to ride an invincible juggernaut into a season. A team where his boneheaded moves are negated by fantastic players at every spot in the order, rotation and bullpen. There are no juggernauts in every aspect of the game anymore. And our team is getting younger. We need someone who can motivate and make good in game moves. Torre is still being Torre. This just isnt 1998 anymore.

[He Hate Me]

that is the point. Torre is great to ride an invincible juggernaut into a season. A team where his boneheaded moves are negated by fantastic players at every spot in the order, rotation and bullpen. There are no juggernauts in every aspect of the game anymore. And our team is getting younger. We need someone who can motivate and make good in game moves. Torre is still being Torre. This just isnt 1998 anymore.

I think you're being too hard on him. His decision making is no more stupid than any other manager in the league. We didn't have a juggernaut in '96 but still won. The only gripe I have with him right now and for the last few years is his passiveness. That would have worked when he had Paulie and co., but with this daydreamer roster, the passiveness really kills us sometimes. Like I said, it's a mismatch.

Simmons called it btw, i'm so sick of not protecting our hitters because of this bizarre "clasy" bs.

[He Hate Me]

btw why the hell do we have Mike Myers on the team, the guy is completely worthless. He'll pitch at most 30 innings this year, if even. what a waste of a roster spot

[redsoxrules]

btw why the hell do we have Mike Myers on the team, the guy is completely worthless. He'll pitch at most 30 innings this year, if even. what a waste of a roster spot

last 2 year combined he's only pitched 67 innings ,
this year he's on pace to pitch 68 , torre is gonna blow his arm out :lol:

[Mr Crunchy]

they got myers for 1 reason
david ortiz

[jacksonianmarch]

and he cant get him out as a yankee.

[He Hate Me]

and he cant get him out as a yankee.

ugh aint that the truth. I think it would be better to just dust Ortiz or IBB him if he's in a spot that could hurt us late in the game, rather than waste a perfectly good roster spot on a specialist who aint that special

[jacksonianmarch]

I would love for us to test out the strength of David's helmet especially after so many of our guys got drilled.

[BSN07]

I think Mattingly or Giradi is the Manager next year anyway...

[ryanromine]

I really don't think the Yanks problem lies within Torre, but it is that pitching staff. It's plagued by injuries this season and the bullpen is in shambles right now as well!

[jacksonianmarch]

I think Mattingly or Giradi is the Manager next year anyway...

and you better believe that Donny Baseball will protect his players. If you see Farns coming into a blowout game, you know it is to send a message.

[schillingouttheks]

I would love for us to test out the strength of David's helmet especially after so many of our guys got drilled.

I think your pitchers would be too afraid to do that. David Ortiz would eat one of them.

Besides, if you're going to hit him, don't advocate hitting him in the head, please.

[BSN07]

Ya I imagine he would be a little more of an aggresive manager, Torre just makes the Yankees look like a bunch of hi priced ninnys with no marbles...But they look classy:thumbsup:

[ryanromine]

Ya I imagine he would be a little more of an aggresive manager, Torre just makes the Yankees look like a bunch of hi priced ninnys with no marbles...But they look classy:thumbsup:

hahaha! That is way too funny

[jacksonianmarch]

and true. He is right. Torre's code of ethics does not include retaliation. Donny's will.

[He Hate Me]

I think your pitchers would be too afraid to do that. David Ortiz would eat one of them.

Besides, if you're going to hit him, don't advocate hitting him in the head, please.

yeah, I just wanna dust him, I don't wanna hurt the guy. and if you're gonna hit him purposefully, hit his behind.

[He Hate Me]

Ya I imagine he would be a little more of an aggresive manager, Torre just makes the Yankees look like a bunch of hi priced ninnys with no marbles...But they look classy:thumbsup:

ugh, the worst thing is I completely agree with this.

[jacksonianmarch]

I think your pitchers would be too afraid to do that. David Ortiz would eat one of them.

Besides, if you're going to hit him, don't advocate hitting him in the head, please.

well, to be honest with you, I dont think Ortiz could handle Giambroids. And if you want to send a message that hitting our players wont be tolerated, that is the way to go. Otherwise, go for the ribs. Most of the time, if you go for the head, you hit the shoulder and you are fine. The most dangerous spots are in the hands and in the knees.

[TheKilo]

well, to be honest with you, I dont think Ortiz could handle Giambroids. And if you want to send a message that hitting our players wont be tolerated, that is the way to go. Otherwise, go for the ribs. Most of the time, if you go for the head, you hit the shoulder and you are fine. The most dangerous spots are in the hands and in the knees.

Tell that to Tony C cuntstain.

[jacksonianmarch]

true.

[TheKilo]

The cuntstain part was unnecessary but Tony C is a shining example of why you never throw at someone's head.

[Optimist]

http://nomaas.org/images/scarecrow_torre2.jpg
If only he had a brain...

[BSN07]

ESPN radio said the Boss is all sorts of pissed off, and Torre could be gone by the end of the weekend depending on the turn out of this series...

[a700hitter]

ESPN radio said the Boss is all sorts of pissed off, and Torre could be gone by the end of the weekend depending on the turn out of this series...That would be pretty funny. If Joe is fire, forget the Rocket touching down in NY, even though his girlfriend, Pettitte is there.

[RedSoxRooter]

Firing Torre would be reactionary, short sighted, and it wouldn't solve the problem of the Yanks starting rotation. Hey, the Sox had an off year last year and seem to be back stronger this year. Same could be going on with the Yanks. Firing Torre doesn't fix anything. He's overusing his bullpen because he has to (outside of using Pettitte in relief in real games which he should stop doing).

He's gone after this year anyway, so why now? If the Yankees make the post season there is no way they are able to win the WS anyway. The pitching - team wide - is just not good enough.

I will say, as a Sox fan, not seeing Torre in NY would make the Yanks seem even weaker. Once he and Mo and Jeter and Stienbrenner are gone, I'll be a happy man.

[a700hitter]

Firing Torre would be reactionary, short sighted, and it wouldn't solve the problem of the Yanks starting rotation. You've just described the Boss, and let's not forget that he really doesn't like Torre anymore.

[RedSoxRooter]

I guess that's the point. If he'd fired Torre after last year, everyone would have understood why. To do it now would seem desperate.

[a700hitter]

The Boss has been waiting for two things to happen: 1. For the financial cost of firing Torre to become reasonable, and it now is, 2. For Torre's adoring legions to turn against him. That is also the case.

If he falls 8.5 games out by Monday, he's gone whether it looks desparate or not. It will look like a good move as the Yankees start to get people back from the DL and play better.

[jacksonianmarch]

The Boss has been waiting for two things to happen: 1. For the financial cost of firing Torre to become reasonable, and it now is, 2. For Torre's adoring legions to turn against him. That is also the case.

If he falls 8.5 games out by Monday, he's gone whether it looks desparate or not. It will look like a good move as the Yankees start to get people back from the DL and play better.

and our bullpen and team will start to play better. Torre has torpedoes this team. How in hell do you go to Proctor AGAIN last night.

[jacksonianmarch]

btw, the legions HAVE finally turned on him. You remember what I said about the yankee sites? You used to not be able to say anything about the team. I log on yesterday and to my delight, there were 4 threads about firing Torre ALREADY. The time is now. We are a MUCH better team than we are playing and that is on the manager.

[a700hitter]

Jackson, are you a little torn about wanting the Yankees to win today? If they lose today and tomorrow, you probably get rid of Clueless Joe. I can remember rooting against the Red Sox in the last year of Butch Hobson's disastrous reign. He was the worst manager in my memory, but the FO and fans seemed to like him. It took disastrous back to back seasons fo him to get canned.

[Jon_Papelboner]

I wouldn't be surprised if Mattingly is our new manager come monday. Especially if we lose tomorrow.

[jacksonianmarch]

Jackson, are you a little torn about wanting the Yankees to win today? If they lose today and tomorrow, you probably get rid of Clueless Joe. I can remember rooting against the Red Sox in the last year of Butch Hobson's disastrous reign. He was the worst manager in my memory, but the FO and fans seemed to like him. It took disastrous back to back seasons fo him to get canned.

torn isnt the word. If there was a way for us to win and get a new manager I'd take it. But if we had to lose some april games to get rid of our albatross of a manager, then do it. I hate Torre. And have hated him for 3 yrs now. Any other manager gets shitcanned in the Steinny era, but it seems Torre has some incriminating evidence against the felon as he hasnt gotten the axe. I know teams lose, and dont mind if we are beaten. But Torre has LOST too many games by his dumbass moves.

[Dana Kiecker]

You guys should be calling for the firing of Cashman.. hes the one that strangled this team .. he has no rotation, a Fruitbat that is old, and a landmine of short relief.. What can Joe really do?

Torre should have seen this coming and stepped down in the offseason, when he had the chance .. Then he could have let Mattingly look like the cornhole.. This team sucks, would you want to manage it?

[a700hitter]

The Yankees have three solid starters, a good bullpen, and a killer lineup. They are playing poorly now, but they will turn it around. Now, is the perfect time for the Boss to can Torre.

[jacksonianmarch]

The Yankees have three solid starters, a good bullpen, and a killer lineup. They are playing poorly now, but they will turn it around. Now, is the perfect time for the Boss to can Torre.

no kidding

[jacksonianmarch]

It's time.

[a700hitter]

Yesterday's win may just have been enough to save Torre's job.

[Optimist]

I'd say it's late...

I wonder if Giradi's phone is ringing yet.

[Mr Crunchy]

why
can girardi pitch??
i thought he was a catcher

[rician blast]

So I guess Torre is responsible for Mussina's hammy? And pavano's vaginitis? And karsten's fibula?

While we're at it, it's his fault that Mienkxxxx is hitting about .150.
Torre is at fault for Damon's .229 BA.
He's the cause of Matsui's .207 BA.
What's up with Rivera and his 1 save and approx. 10.00 era? Gotta be Torre's doing.

You fkn guys kill me. The guy was blessed for years with all the pieces needed to win and when they did he got tons of credit. Now, with a pitching staff that rivals the KC Royals, and an offense that's underachieving, it's all his fault.

Baseball is a game of ups and downs, the Yanks are down right now, but they're never out, not in April. That being the case, don't you want the guy that "managed" your team to 4 WCs and many a playoff appearance at the helm?

[Gom]

So I guess Torre is responsible for Mussina's hammy? And pavano's vaginitis? And karsten's fibula?

While we're at it, it's his fault that Mienkxxxx is hitting about .150.
Torre is at fault for Damon's .229 BA.
He's the cause of Matsui's .207 BA.
What's up with Rivera and his 1 save and approx. 10.00 era? Gotta be Torre's doing.

You fkn guys kill me. The guy was blessed for years with all the pieces needed to win and when they did he got tons of credit. Now, with a pitching staff that rivals the KC Royals, and an offense that's underachieving, it's all his fault.

Baseball is a game of ups and downs, the Yanks are down right now, but they're never out, not in April. That being the case, don't you want the guy that "managed" your team to 4 WCs and many a playoff appearance at the helm?

You don't watch our team like we do. First of all, give me their team over the last 11 years and I would have probably won 4 championships myself.

My knock on Torre, and always has been, his mismanagement of the bullpen.

It's one thing if you are losing, or in a tied game. However, he takes his starting pitchers out when they have a 3 run lead in the sixth inning. It is precisely those games that costs the Yankees the tight games.

For example: Matsuzaka has not been good against the Yankees. He has just pitched better than his Yankee counterparts. As long as he had a lead, Francona kept him in, saved his bullpen for the next day. If Torre had a 5-2 lead in the 6th with Pettitte on the hill against Matsuzaka, he takes him out and brings in the bullpen. Roles reversed, Francona keeps Matsuzaka in. How hard is it to manage when you had Mendoza, followed by Stanton and Nelson, and then Rivera to shut the door, all in their prime years? The Yankees of the late nineties didn't need a manager, they needed a scorekeeper.

Torre hasn't realized one thing in ALL the years of managing.

Your bullpen is most effective if it stays in the bullpen.

[jacksonianmarch]

So I guess Torre is responsible for Mussina's hammy? And pavano's vaginitis? And karsten's fibula?

While we're at it, it's his fault that Mienkxxxx is hitting about .150.
Torre is at fault for Damon's .229 BA.
He's the cause of Matsui's .207 BA.
What's up with Rivera and his 1 save and approx. 10.00 era? Gotta be Torre's doing.

You fkn guys kill me. The guy was blessed for years with all the pieces needed to win and when they did he got tons of credit. Now, with a pitching staff that rivals the KC Royals, and an offense that's underachieving, it's all his fault.

Baseball is a game of ups and downs, the Yanks are down right now, but they're never out, not in April. That being the case, don't you want the guy that "managed" your team to 4 WCs and many a playoff appearance at the helm?

CF, when you watch the games on an individual basis, you can see his mistakes.

First of all, part of this pitching problem is his doing. He has used the pen wasy too much this yr. He utterly refuses to allow pitchers to go deeper into games. So even our wins are taxing on the pen.

[ANiMAL]

I swear at about 9PM every night i check to see if the Yanks are losing, and it always seems to be the 6th inning with Proctor in. I think Torre gets head from Proctor or something because i dont think he is that good to pitch 5 of every 7 days. Realistically he has made 15 appearences in 23 games. At this rate he'll be overworked by the end of May. He's also going to make approxiamtely 105 appearences this season. I think the overwork of Proctor is Torre's biggest fault.
Another knock on Torre, I'm sure any one member on talksox could manage the Yankees in the same timeframe Torre has and also won 4 World Series.

[Gom]

Exactly.

[ANiMAL]

It's not hard to think in the mind of a Yankee, especially because I am surrounded by tons of them.

[MANNYHOF24]

Steinbrenner: I believe in Joe Torre, per ESPNEWS.

[redsoxrules]

CF, when you watch the games on an individual basis, you can see his mistakes.

First of all, part of this pitching problem is his doing. He has used the pen wasy too much this yr. He utterly refuses to allow pitchers to go deeper into games. So even our wins are taxing on the pen.

well the reason he is going to the pen early in games is because the starters have been sucking big time , with the exception of a few games .

[jacksonianmarch]

Steinbrenner: I believe in Joe Torre, per ESPNEWS.

punch me in face now.

[yeszir]

punch me in face now.

Give me your address, I'd be happy to oblige. ;)

[rician blast]

Jacks, I know you've been a Torre detractor even in years when they've been very successful and run away with the division...you've consistently stated that Torre is not a great in-game manager...so my comments aren't directed towards you. You've been very consistent in that regard.

I'm not claiming that Torre IS a good manager..I'm simply pointing out that many Yankee fans thought he was the greatest manager ever when they were dominant and now a month into the 2007 season, they say he sucks. Seems a bit hypocritical, and again, my comment is not towards ALL Yankee fans.

[VA Sox Fan]

As others have said.....how can you fire someone over injuries? Yank fans should be thankful it's (almost) May and not August, when the Sox were plagued with injuries last season (DUH?!?!)

This start may/will be difficult for them (or any team) to overcome. The pitchers arms are gonna fall off at this rate. Of course, I love it, but miss the competition.

Seriously though, it's early.

Torre is overated and even the YES ballwashers are questioning his moves during the game. Cashman should have advised everyone that this is a re-building season. But w/ the Yankees, you never know, it's early.

[Mr Crunchy]

did anyone see rivera in the 9th inning down 7-4 friday nite??
torre got him some work
he probably threw 30 pitches in 1/3ip with 4earned
the nite b4 down 6-0 proctor is in??

he sucks
ive been saying this for 10 years
he had several chances to manage and failed at every occasion with the exception of the team he inherited from bucky showalter and gene michael,this current team, favored 6 years in a row to win it all,has failed miserably and with the gross difference in payrolls someone should have fallen on the sword for this classic underachievment